'Naked' scanner

[Isafari]

:unsure: Anyone going through terminal 2 at Manchester Airport.....
BBC NEWS | UK | 'Naked' scanner in airport trial (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8303983.stm)

[Keith]

sadly yes :(

Wish I could joke about it but sigh.

[Isafari]

sadly yes :(


Us too :unsure:

What I want to know is how they can say this ""The images are not erotic or pornographic and they cannot be stored or captured in any way," she said."

So, how come they have an image from it on the article!!!!!

[Keith]

Us too :unsure:

What I want to know is how they can say this ""The images are not erotic or pornographic and they cannot be stored or captured in any way," she said."

So, how come they have an image from it on the article!!!!!

Well there's nothing technical to stop someone taking a photo of the image, but they promise that all staff will be security checked for mobile phones, cameras etc. before they start work so that they can't capture the image.

I think technically they've implemented it in the best way they could it's just that I hate the idea and consider it a huge violation :(

You'll be able to opt out of doing it of course but you can imagine how well that'll go down

[Britchick]

i'll have to get rid of my piercings then! :unsure:


mmmmm not sure how i feel about this one, bit of a human rights issue me thinks.

[Dawn]

What about pregnant ladies? :unsure:

[Claire]

What about children? :unsure:

[Ursula]

Not sure if I like it or not???????? If it was same sex doing the screening then I don't have a problem really. It sounds like it's going to be a given whether we like it or not :( It will get rolled out gradually and in the end we will have no choice..... this is how our government do things, if it doesn't get in by the front door then they get it in by the back door.

[Keith]

Not sure if I like it or not???????? If it was same sex doing the screening then I don't have a problem really. It sounds like it's going to be a given whether we like it or not :( It will get rolled out gradually and in the end we will have no choice..... this is how our government do things, if it doesn't get in by the front door then they get it in by the back door.

very true words indeed. Sadly the erosion of civil liberties and human rights usually happens that way :(

[ukwdwnut]

i think its a total disgrace and a huge personal violation...i wouldnt at all be happy with that

[Ursula]

I understand how you feel Mick but I would rather lessen the chances of me being blown to bits in the sky. I just can't be sure the scanners will just stay in the airports though?

[Disneybumble]

It makes me nervous BUT as Helly said for my own secruity so be it.

[Dawn]

See I see it from the health risk point of view. If this is an x-ray then that is a radiation exposure and potentially could be dangerous for pregnant ladies or frequent fliers. :unsure:

I have no problem being eliminated as a security risk for a flight but not if it's going to damage my health.

[Lisa1976]

Im all for it if it tightens security and the risk of being blown up is less. If someone really is going to get their kicks from looking at me naked through a scanner, well they would need their heads read, im hardly supermodel material :rotfl:

[Keith]

See I see it from the health risk point of view. If this is an x-ray then that is a radiation exposure and potentially could be dangerous for pregnant ladies or frequent fliers. :unsure:

I have no problem being eliminated as a security risk for a flight but not if it's going to damage my health.

In theory they say you'd need to travel through the scanner 5000 times to be anywhere close to 1 normal hospital xray, so it shouldn't be a health risk.

[Skywatcher]

Its true re xrays - also a transatlantic flight is I believe equivalent to a number of chest xrays - can't remember how many :unsure: darn brain won't work as due to altitude you are exposed to more atmospheric radiation anyway.

THE important question it raises is WHEN will this technology be made avaliable in some sort of spectacle form?

[Ursula]

Oh I'm sure it will be available in laughing spectacle form :(

[Claire]

Anyone know which airport Johnny Depp favours?

[Shellyamc]

I would deal with it if I HAD to, although I wouldn't like it, but I would have a real big problem sending my kids though that scanner. A HUGE problem. I mean no one is going to put on their application that they enjoy looking at naked children, but I'm sure there will be many that apply for the job.

[uscwest]

There was a disclaimer in the article that said that passengers can refuse to be scanned. I for one am not sure I could even allow it. It states that it use electro magnetic waves which might possibly damage my ICD.

[josh.p.]

I might be the only one that this doesn't bother :unsure: I don't know see it any different to getting naked in front of my doctor- it's for my own safety and whilst I may not like it, there are much more embarrasing things that could happen- A cavity search for example :rotfl: The people doing the screening will be so acustomed to it that they will be sick of the sight of 'plumbing' LOL

It reminds me of friends when the gynacologist says "You know you work in a coffee store and you think.... if I see ONE MORE CUP OF COFFEE!!"

[Ursula]

Anyone know which airport Johnny Depp favours?

heeeey! Yeeeeeaaaaaaaaah! I want those specs....

[Britchick]

I'm thinking Josh is a closet naturist !!

[Tink]

I'm thinking one view of this ancient and worn out bod, and those scanner folks will be rushing for the hills! "MY EYES!!! MY EYES!!!!"

[foreverducky]

I just don't like the statement that it is not erotic or pornographic. These people do not know what turns others on. There are a lot of people out there that are disturbing individuals, and they will apply for a job like this. And like it was said before, they do not put that kind of information on the application.

[Kate]

It really doesnt bother me at all. Im such a terrible flyer, the thought of boarding a plane terrifies the living day lights out of me, and when i think of the sorts of people that could be on that flight with me - well, it turns me into a bit of a mess if im honest. If walking through that thingy is eliminating those sorts of people then im all for it.
No point making sure you've got your best pants on that day though is there haha!

[ukwdwnut]

i still say its violating your civil liberties or private ones :lol:

[Kate]

Maybe - but if there werent such disgusting evil people out there then they would need to do this sort of thing to help protect us

[ukwdwnut]

Maybe - but if there werent such disgusting evil people out there then they would need to do this sort of thing to help protect us

very true but i still think there are other ways to do it tho

[Keith]

The problem is how far do you go in the quest to avoid the potential acts of bad people?

The further and further we go, the more the bad people win by default without even needing to do anything. Our lives are disrupted, hard won liberties are lost and we inch towards a society dominated by fear. Exactly what the terrorists had in mind in the first place!

There have to be sensible precautions, I can't argue otherwise but it's so easy to accept the creeping that I worry we'll look back in a few years and wonder how we lost so many fundamental freedoms so quickly.

Just as reminder. We've lost, in some circumstances, the once undeniable right to a trial by peers, the right to remain silent when arrested. We can be held for longer periods of time than ever before without anything more than a suspicion. We're recorded on CCTV cameras not just by the police but by local councils (There is one CCTV camera for every 14 people in the UK. If you live in London you are likely to be on cameras 300 times a day) and on and on and on. That's before we even get to ID cards which at the moment are looking like a flop but who knows what'll happen there.

We're more labelled and tracked than ever before and though ID cards are now not in favour (phew for now!), the suggestion was that if you rolled out of bed in the morning, went for your morning paper without ID you could be arrested.

Now we've got naked images at airports and how long before someone says well a railway station is no less important! Nor is that office building you go every day (after all, nice for the bosses to make sure you're not walking out with any office supplies - not that it would ever be used for that, perish the thought :)

The scanners are only £80k now, when they're new and development costs are being paid off. They'll be smaller, cheaper and in the lining of corridors you walk down before you know it. Possibly without you knowing it.

As Tink says, I doubt anyone will be rushing to print my image any time soon :lol: but it's another little creep of something that most of us would have found unacceptable a few short years ago and is now just part of "well if it makes me safer".

[Tink]

It is a very hard balance, the safety and the protection of liberties. I have to admit, I don't like the idea, for all my joking about it.

A much lesser example is the "search" at WDW. What a total waste. If I were going to bring a weapon of any sort into WDW I'd simply put it in my pocket. They don't search bodies just poke through your bags. Totally useless, and an invasion of privacy given the uselessness of it.

Airport screening is a bit better, but not much. I fly all the time as we all know. I can't tell you how sloppy many of the screeners are, and how untrained and uneducated with regard to the way things work now. Try to use a PDA version of an eticket and you will see quickly how useless those TSA people are. No use arguing with them, as they can't be taught. Once I was able to get the attention of a supervisor who set the worker right, but that was once in how many flights? All that to say I do not believe for one minute that these TSA people are efficiently or very effectively protecting our "skies." They get lucky once in awhile but that's it.

It is something to be hyper alert to; loss of liberties and freedoms. That is exactly how dictatorships and other "single source rule" comes into being.