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Dawn
24-03-2010, 06:51 PM
A high school in Mississippi has cancelled its prom to stop a lesbian student attending with her girlfriend.

The world of Mississippi has officially gone back in time 100 years.:slap:

keith
24-03-2010, 06:56 PM
not only there sadly, in our very own country as well.

Just boggles the mind doesn't it?

"On June 18, 2009, Eadie reserved the room through a telephone conversation with Susan Molnar. A few minutes later, Les Molnar called Eadie and asked whether or not he and Thomas were a couple.

In their complaint, Eadie and Thomas stated that after hearing Eadie confirm that they were together, Les told him: “Then this is not going to work out.” Les claimed that he said: “I’m sorry, I don’t think it’s going to work out.”"

Les doesn’t deny that he rejected the reservation because to “allow a gay couple to share a bed in my Christian home would violate my Christian beliefs and cause me and my wife great distress”.

Tink
24-03-2010, 07:26 PM
There is a facebook page on the prom issues (so I've been told) and there is a plan underway to have a prom for the kids.

On the opposite side, there is a very small town in Georgia that is going ahead with their prom and allowing two boys to attend as a couple.

Does it really matter? I mean for heaven's sake a relative of mine went to her prom with a group of GIRLS, and not a boy in sight for no reason other than they wanted to have fun and not have to deal with all that "prom night stuff." :)

Interesting that the kids don't care, but the adults do.

Also, there is still a place in the south where the white kids have their own prom separate from the African American kids who have their own prom. How's that for progress. :sigh:

arkvilla
24-03-2010, 07:35 PM
Sad reading this :thumbsdown: Narrow minded people - they will always be there with their c**p views

Sandra

Mari
24-03-2010, 07:58 PM
I know... its really stupid how adults just make a big deal out of NOTHING

just let the kids be!!!

Skywatcher
24-03-2010, 08:15 PM
There was something about a couple here last week being declined a night as they wanted to share a bed.

What gave me such hope was this was on the main news and was dubbed 'outrageous' - its when bigotry like this is passed off as normal that I think I'd be more worried

The Mississippi thing is just ....grrrrr :mad:

Mags
24-03-2010, 09:37 PM
So they abandon the year prom to make sure the couple dont attend? Why? Does this make it an easier option than banning them and potentially having them sue? I mean, I dont know but it sounds like they are using a sledgehammer to crack a nut. How ridiculous!

Margarert

Shellyamc
25-03-2010, 03:46 AM
We had a few girls taken out of our prom by the cops and taken off to the hospital because they were so sloppy drunk..no one really seemed to care about that :unsure:

ukwdwnut
25-03-2010, 09:29 AM
how ridiculous, errrrmmmmm excuse me this is the 21st century the whold worlds going bonkers

uscwest
25-03-2010, 12:19 PM
This actually happened a little while back. The rest of the school is in an uproar because their prom has been canceled and is talking about suing the school district. Ellen Degeneres gave the girl $30,000.

mumof2
25-03-2010, 01:13 PM
why, in this day and age, can't people just get on and live their lives.....

gay, straight, black, white...whatever, we're born to be whoever we are and there's not a living person who can change that, so why don't they just get on with their own lives and try to accept that fact that each and every one of us is different?

Tink
25-03-2010, 02:01 PM
I've heard, but am not sure that the young boy who asked his friend (also a boy) to the prom in the other southern state, has been kicked out of his home.

That's the really dangerous stuff. The young person has no where to go, and often ends up on the street. Homosexual teens have the second highest (US) rate of suicide.

uscwest
25-03-2010, 04:44 PM
Wow, Tink, that is hard to fathom. How can a parent do that to that child? They may not like it, but it is your child and he/she deserves to continue to receive your love.

I'll admit that I'm not one to speak as I used to criticize it myself. However, I have far too many friends that are in relationships with same sex and I have come to realize that we all deserve to have love no matter who it is with. I have totally changed my attitude in the last several years. And I wish the military would get rid of that stupid "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy.

Tink
25-03-2010, 06:21 PM
John, there are many, many parents who throw those children out on the street. We are generally talking about kids in their early teens.

You'll "hear" we older ones telling the younger ones to keep their mouths shut until they are safe.

Far better to have your parents understand and love you for who and what you are, but that is Pollyanna. I'll never encourage a child (and teens to me are children) to be forthcoming if that honesty is going to jeopardize their safety.

And you my friend, have changed your original opinion because you are a caring human being who realizes that we are all in this together,eh? :hug2:

Tink
25-03-2010, 06:39 PM
Here is a link with a photo of the young man. He's no more than a baby... :sigh:

Gay-rights backers reach out to Bleckley senior - Local & State - Macon.com (http://www.macon.com/2010/03/24/1070478/gay-rights-backers-reach-out-to.html#storylink=omni_popular)

Johnie
25-03-2010, 07:33 PM
Well I will be flip and say it IS Mississippi and not surprised by this news.

I can tell you from experience I am noticing more and more teens being homeless because their parents give up on them. It's not just homosexual kids either. Actually around here I am truly surprised and happy to see the number of kids who are out and happy. They don't seem to be getting any negative feedback in these parts. That's nice to see. However, Alysia has brought home many many kids whose parents have just given up. These are relatively good kids too. It makes me so angry to see this :thumbsdown:

Tink
25-03-2010, 07:48 PM
Different pockets of local issues. :yes:

Statistically, homosexual teens are the second highest category to committ suicide.

The kid who was thrown out isn't from Mississippi... that's the place where the prom was canceled. The boy who was kicked out of his house is from Macon county...

Tink
25-03-2010, 10:32 PM
From BellaOnline, The Voice of Women: An editorial on the prom cancellation... for those who may be intersted. :yes: :grouphug:

Prom canceled due to lesbian

Constance McMillen is a high school senior who is looking forward to what most seniors around the country are looking forward to. She can’t wait to graduate. She wants to be finished with classes and move on to her next adventure. She also wants to go to the prom. Like any other high school senior, prom is a hallmark of their high school career. However, Constance won’t be able to go to her prom. Why? Because she’s a lesbian, her school won’t let her bring a female date, and so they canceled prom all-together.

The school district canceled the dance rather than letting the couple attend. Now, she is asking a federal judge to force her school district to reinstate the dance so that she and her classmates, both gay and straight, can attend.

According to the Associated Press, “The American Civil Liberties Union of Mississippi on Thursday filed a lawsuit in U.S. District Court in Oxford on behalf of 18-year-old Constance McMillen, who said she faced some unhappy classmates after the Itawamba County School District said it wouldn't host the April 2 prom.”

She has been ridiculed by her own classmates as ruining their senior year by causing their senior prom to be cancelled and for trying to force her views on others.

The lawsuit seeks a court order for the school to hold the prom. It also asks that McMillen be allowed to escort her girlfriend, who also is a student at the school, and wear the tuxedo.

The district's decision banning same-sex prom dates violates students' rights. The ACLU said the district violated McMillen's free expression rights by not letting her wear a tux.

The school board statement said it wouldn't host the event "due to the distractions to the educational process caused by recent events" but didn't mention McMillen. District officials didn't return calls seeking comment Thursday.

"A lot of schools actually react rather than do the research and find out what the rights of these students are," said Presgraves.

In 2002, a gay student sued his school district in Toronto to allow him to attend a prom with his boyfriend. A judge later forced the district to allow the couple to attend and stopped the district from canceling the prom.

U.S. Rep. Jared Polis, D-Colo., said a bill he's introduced in Congress would make it illegal to discriminate against gay and lesbian school students. He said at least 10 states have such laws, and his bill is modeled after those.
"This situation with the prom is a perfect example of why we need to protect students from discrimination. In this case it's a prom. It other cases, it's getting beaten up or killed," Polis said.

The school district had said it hoped a privately sponsored prom could be held.

The issue at hand is whether a school should be forcing students who are comfortable with whom they are to deny that and sneak into their prom by attending with a person of the opposite gender. Many small groups of male and female students attend their proms without dates. They go “stag” and meet up with others at their dance. However, a student should be allowed to attend their dance with the person whom they are in a relationship with, whether it is a gay or straight couple. School districts should be held to the same standard and if they allow opposite-gender couples to attend, same-gender couples should also be allowed to attend. Just because they are students does not mean they don’t have the same rights as an adult would.

School districts need to research the rights of their students. The law states that all students must be treated equally. This is why we have men’s and women’s sports and cannot just allow one or the other. The same should be required of any extracurricular activity such as dances.

In the end, this female student will lose. If the dance is held, she loses. If the dance isn’t held, she still loses. Why? Because people aren’t going to remember the dance for the rite of passage it is, but remember this student because she stood up for her beliefs and ruined the fun for everyone.

Such a shame! Bravo Constance for standing up for your beliefs and who you are!

Tink
25-03-2010, 10:36 PM
Update: A federal court in Mississippi ruled that Constance’s First Amendment rights were violated when her school district banned her from bringing her girlfriend to the prom and wearing a tuxedo. The judge also ruled against forcing the school to have the prom. The judge’s reasoning was that a private prom the parents in the community are planning for this spring would serve the same purpose as the school prom.

Tink
25-03-2010, 10:37 PM
TV talk show host and comedian Ellen Degeneres heard about Constance’s situation and gave her a $30,000 college scholarship from Tonic.com in New York City plus a summer internship.

Tink
26-03-2010, 02:12 AM
Clever of the court to uphold the federal regulation that says they cannot violate her rights. Even more clever of the judge to refuse to order the school to have the prom saying that parents are going to put one on for them, so the purpose has been served. Of course, the lesbians and gays, transgendered and bisexual queer youth are not welcome to the private party.

Shellyamc
27-03-2010, 04:33 AM
Well isn't that a round about way of trying to give everyone what they really want :unsure:

You can't tell a lesbian she can't come to the party..but if there isn't a party..then there isn't really a problem, right? Oh then Susie might have a party, but it is well within her rights not to invite everyone??

Did we just get snowed? :surrender:

Tink
27-03-2010, 10:58 AM
Canceling a school based party to prevent all who wish to attend from being there is a pretty cheap trick.

We are going to cancel the prom, because if we had it she would have the right to attend with her date. So if we don't have it, she doesn't get to go now does she?

If we move it to a private venue, invitation only, then she's not invited. That doesn't seem like everyone is getting what they want, to me. Given that the private party is being put on by the parents, that makes it even more insulting. "You're not good enough to come to the party that we are hosting for ALL other students."

Cute trick in my book. Underhanded and discriminatory (says the person who has NOT been invited to more parties than she has been). I learned to not care, but this young girl is a teen. Why shouldn't she be allowed to go to the prom with a date of her choice?

Everyone else is able to.

Clearly, if the school is going to play it this way, then cancel all proms that are school based and make all "proms" a matter of parents paying for the dance. Make them private. No reason to have the school involved at all. Then the discrimination can be clearly seen and promoted and no lesbian or gay kid is going to feel that they have a right to attend a school function along with their peers.

School functions should be for all students on the same terms. One gets to bring a date of one's choosing so does the next person. If that can't be upheld, then do cancel the school based event. Just do it before the courts rule that the school has violated someone's rights.

At least be upfront in bigoted discriminatory intolerance. Make it clear that the school does not support all students, only those they find morally acceptable. (Of course, we don't hear too much outrage about the sexually promiscuous hetersexual teens being barred from attending social events, now do we)? That way those kids outside the "in group" will know exactly where they stand and why.

Of course parents can simply throw those kids out too, just like the young boy was kicked out of his home in Macon County.

Far better a world this would be if we all simply accepted that no one person is better than the other. Ever.

Tinkfan
27-03-2010, 01:31 PM
TV talk show host and comedian Ellen Degeneres heard about Constance’s situation and gave her a $30,000 college scholarship from Tonic.com in New York City plus a summer internship.


:applaudit: Schools would best be served taking a stand on other issues bullying, sexting( right word?) lack of compassion and the kids who ( and adults) make everyone uncomfortable by hanging all over each other in public situations. Even at Disney, we were in line for POTC and there was a young couple in front of us going at it like rabbits and their mother was with them! I had to keep turning Ty around to face the other way. Too much!! Good for Ellen!

Tink
27-03-2010, 01:35 PM
Totally agree with you.

Yes, it's great to see someone do the right thing, isn't it? She didn't get to go to the dance, but she'll have a college degree... fair trade off for me!

Tinkfan
27-03-2010, 01:59 PM
Unfortunately life is full of trade offs isn't it?