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Skywatcher
17-11-2010, 08:48 AM
looking at these, not crazy money - we don't even have HD as yet

interested to see what people say...

ukwdwnut
17-11-2010, 08:52 AM
i had a look in the sony shop last week....i couldnt sit with 3d specs on to watch tele. just normal hd will do me when i get a tv that can handle it

keith
17-11-2010, 09:15 AM
looking at these, not crazy money - we don't even have HD as yet

interested to see what people say...

Although not CRAZY money, the cheapest I think is the samsung deal, 40" lcd (or 50" plasma) + bluray player + 2 or 3 sets of glasses for about 999. Now, that's about double the cost of an equivalent hd NON-3d set. So it's quite a premium.

Now, when they work, I think they work pretty well :) but there's not much content right now to justify the premium and tbh I dont enjoy sitting there with the glasses on at the cinema :/ so dont anticipate doing it at home either. In fact, I really feel like it strains my eyes.

So hmmmmm. All that along with toshiba/sony and others saying it wont be as long as we think until they can do 3d without glasses just makes me wonder if it's worth paying the premium.

ukwdwnut
17-11-2010, 09:34 AM
havent a clue how they will make you see 3d without glasses :unsure:

im plumping for a panasonic 50" plasma 600hz tv plus a blueray and hopefully a bose sound system shortly after :D

Skywatcher
17-11-2010, 09:53 AM
The Nintendo 3DS has 3D without glasses and looks incredible!!

ukwdwnut
17-11-2010, 09:56 AM
The Nintendo 3DS has 3D without glasses and looks incredible!!

havent seen one chris....will look next time im in lakeside or in town

simonwebb74
17-11-2010, 11:03 AM
The 3DS looks great, it even allows you to adjust the amount of 3D effect it has, to suit each individual user.

Skywatcher
17-11-2010, 11:14 AM
and it will have a 3D camera, 2 cameras on the back of the lid go together to make the 1st ever 3d photos, very interesting

Mick they aren't out yet but if you youtube them you can see the effects on the top screen

ukwdwnut
17-11-2010, 11:48 AM
and it will have a 3D camera, 2 cameras on the back of the lid go together to make the 1st ever 3d photos, very interesting

Mick they aren't out yet but if you youtube them you can see the effects on the top screen

oh ok will do thx chris :)

Deafjeff
17-11-2010, 12:55 PM
I saw the demo and the 3D channel from sky is quite impressive but I am not sure if they transmit the channel with subtitles, until I get this confirmed I wont consider it just yet....

lozzy
17-11-2010, 01:55 PM
While in America we went to the local Sony store and best buys, they both had the 3d televisions set up, other half and kids loved it but I must have an eye condition that provents me seeing the 3d image as all I was getting was a blurry image. I've seen 3d films at the cinema fine but for some reason when wearing the glasses that come with the new tv's I can't.
I really can't see us all sitting watching tv with the glasses on anyway, maybe when sharp bring out the new 3d tele that doesn't need the glasses we may consider it.

Britchick
17-11-2010, 02:55 PM
we were looking at this in May and decided that instead of a 3D TV we would use the extra it cost to get a better TV, i thinking it's LCD...it is fantastic

josh.p.
17-11-2010, 05:58 PM
havent a clue how they will make you see 3d without glasses :unsure:

im plumping for a panasonic 50" plasma 600hz tv plus a blueray and hopefully a bose sound system shortly after :D
There's a camera at the minute that takes 3D pics without glasses by using two different sensors :yes: It's really cool but not quite 'there' yet :yes: I think it'll be a few years before we get a truly good 3D TV without glasses at an affordable price, and I think by then the fuss may have died down :unsure:

uscwest
17-11-2010, 06:41 PM
Personally, unless that 3D TV is much cheaper there than it is here I'll wait until the prices drop. It isn't that important to me and also I can't imagine sitting there watching my TV with special glasses on.

Esmeralda
18-11-2010, 12:02 AM
It's like all things, will come down in price eventually, remember when sat navs first came out? they were at least a thousand, now you can get them for fifty! Digital watches and calculators were the same.

I'm going to sit it out for a while.

Britchick
18-11-2010, 07:34 AM
My sat nave was over 400 when I bought it 5 years ago, its still going though! Wouldn't have bought it if I didn't use it for work at that price

Skywatcher
18-11-2010, 08:13 AM
Well I love 3D movies, so I guess I'm alone there :lol: I don't mind wearing teh glasses at all in the cinema

By the look of some of the sets the glasses are unique to the TV and cost up to 80 a pair and lots are battery powered :unsure:

Hmm maybe wait for now, but I'm sure it wont be long before they are everywhere

josh.p.
18-11-2010, 05:00 PM
I'm also a love of 3D movies :yes: I much prefer the ones that don't jump out at stuff (they're much better at Disney) because the 3D makes a really great visual quality. I don't mind the glasses over my normal glasses :yes:

Esmeralda
18-11-2010, 08:04 PM
I found the glasses gave me eye strain and a headache when I watched Avatar. So don't know if I could stand it for a tv?

keith
18-11-2010, 10:08 PM
I found the glasses gave me eye strain and a headache when I watched Avatar. So don't know if I could stand it for a tv?

me too :yes:

Skywatcher
19-11-2010, 08:09 AM
problem is we have a great big non HD TV and I just can't justify getting rid as there is nowhere else in the houseit can go, buthaving seen some HD footage it really is awesome and we have yet to venture into blu ray as well

Deafjeff
19-11-2010, 09:47 AM
problem is we have a great big non HD TV and I just can't justify getting rid as there is nowhere else in the houseit can go, buthaving seen some HD footage it really is awesome and we have yet to venture into blu ray as well

Oh blu ray is amazing technology! We got PS3 so it double up to blu ray and game console.

Some film is simply stunning on blu ray me think :yes:

Skywatcher
19-11-2010, 09:53 AM
yeah we have a PS3 as well, would want a Blue ray cinema system thoughwith remote speakers as there are tooo many wires in our lives at the moment

Deafjeff
19-11-2010, 09:54 AM
My hubby would love that!!

ukwdwnut
19-11-2010, 05:35 PM
i watched a bluray an a panasonic 600hz tv not long ago and the quality was nothing like ive seen before

so im saving for that tv....a bit later a bose sound system with wireless speakers

Skywatcher
03-01-2011, 04:20 PM
well thanks to the VAT hike tomorrow we went to Currys and bought a samsung 46 inch 3d LCD backlit 8 series tv today with 3d blu ray . On order as it's so popular so it will arrive in a couple of weeks. playing with them in the store the 3 d was amazing and the ability to upscale normal tv to 3d was very impressive indeed.

just ordered our sky + box upgrade ( with 50 quid cashback) as well.

Carpe diem and all that

Amazed how small the screen is now compared with our old plasma, although it's a 46 inch screen compared with our 42 it's a smaller tv and the screen at it's deepest is about 2cm thick !!!! That is about as deep as the connecting plugs get buried!!

Sad how these things make you happy

Skywatcher
03-01-2011, 04:27 PM
Samsung UE46C8000 - 46" 8 Series 3D LED-backlit LCD TV: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Samsung-UE46C8000-LED-backlit-widescreen-titanium/dp/B003K3ZXGK/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1294071814&sr=8-4)

Interesting reading the reviews it was well over 2000 a few months back, we got it for less than amazon with all the extras :)

keith
03-01-2011, 04:34 PM
yep, GREAT choice :yes: the samsung was the best of all the ones I tried as well

Deafjeff
03-01-2011, 04:39 PM
Wow lush! We saw Tron 3D at the local cinema and it was amazing! Looking forward to transformers 3D :yes:

Skywatcher
03-01-2011, 04:43 PM
The panasonic I think had the slight edge for 3d quality, but 99% of the time we will be using it as a regular tv and the quality was just brilliant, led seems to have advance LCD televisions quite a bit, always preferred plasmas up until now.

The regular films upscale to 3d really nicely as well, without the need for everyone to watch in 3d , those with the glasses can see it in 3d whilst others just watch the regular film Harry Potter lode really good, apparently if the film was shot on 3d cameras the system has less of a problem converting them, trying to wrap my head around active electric glasses technology:lol:

Nicer looking tv as well, after all it has to sit in the corner and some of these 60 inch piano black hobbies are just immense

josh.p.
03-01-2011, 06:33 PM
:mental: Best carpe diem ever! We upgraded our TV to an LED one but decided not to get 3D just yet. Probably next year (Dad is always changing TVs! :shrug:) I too was shocked that the thickest part of the TV is about 2cms.

ukwdwnut
03-01-2011, 08:02 PM
looked into it and still not going to go there....wasnt impressed with LED tv's on a 46" either, too fuzzy even on a 1700 quid set...gonna plump for plasma, still the best picture on a 50"" IMO :)

Skywatcher
03-01-2011, 09:04 PM
Not sure why Mick the quality on the one we saw was pin sharp, otherwise we wouldn't have gone for it.

keith
03-01-2011, 09:10 PM
Not sure why Mick the quality on the one we saw was pin sharp, otherwise we wouldn't have gone for it.

I think it's purely a preference thing

To my eyes, the lcds were pin sharp just like monitors are, and the leds improve on that with far better consistent illumination which makes the picture pop even more! So to my personal preference, the LED is by far the best technology out there.

I've been looking at them for months before christmas, and a couple of friends SCREAMED at me to look at plasma. After all, plasma is out of favour somewhat so you can now get larger plasmas sometimes more cheaply. So we went to a specialist place round here and started TV gazing. I found the best LED in the place, they found their best plasma.

Well I looked at their plasma next to my chosen LED and it just looked washed out and jittery to me. (it was a huge panasonic). The guy who owned the store was also a plasma fan, I had all three of them telling me that the plasma looked more cinematic and less computery :/

To me, the LED looked absolutely as pin sharp as I could imagine anything being, bright, great colours, rock steady and so on. They said nah it doesnt look natural (whatever that means).

The only slight thing I agreed on was that the panasonic plasma 3D had less "crosstalk" effect than the samsung LED I liked. It's a minor point IMHO but I could see that.

So yeah, I think it's just one of those to each his own things!

Skywatcher
03-01-2011, 09:24 PM
Agree the Plasma had better 3d, and I have a plasma at the moment as I always preferred them but I bought the samsung not based on the 3d performance but on the 2d performance in HD from a Harry Potter DVD, it was as perfect as I could imagine, the blacks were spot on.

I went with the intention of getting a plasma but this blew me away.

DisneyFreak
03-01-2011, 09:26 PM
Doesn't there tend to be more problems with Plasma? Especially "burn-ins"?

Skywatcher
03-01-2011, 09:30 PM
Most have screen saver settings to ever so slightly wiggle the screen, the only problem really comes from channels that have the logo permanently on screen but I don't believe it's a major issue , we have had ours for 7 years and have no burn in at all

josh.p.
03-01-2011, 09:41 PM
looked into it and still not going to go there....wasnt impressed with LED tv's on a 46" either, too fuzzy even on a 1700 quid set...gonna plump for plasma, still the best picture on a 50"" IMO :)
Really? We have a 50" LED now (or 47" perhaps? :unsure:) and the picture is not at all fuzzy. It's been fantastic so far :yes: and where as I'd always thought HD wasn't a HUGE improvement on standard definition on our old LCD set, with the LED set it totally feels like a major improvement :yes:

Johnie
03-01-2011, 10:40 PM
Although not CRAZY money, the cheapest I think is the samsung deal, 40" lcd (or 50" plasma) + bluray player + 2 or 3 sets of glasses for about 999. Now, that's about double the cost of an equivalent hd NON-3d set. So it's quite a premium.

Now, when they work, I think they work pretty well :) but there's not much content right now to justify the premium and tbh I dont enjoy sitting there with the glasses on at the cinema :/ so dont anticipate doing it at home either. In fact, I really feel like it strains my eyes.

So hmmmmm. All that along with toshiba/sony and others saying it wont be as long as we think until they can do 3d without glasses just makes me wonder if it's worth paying the premium.


I bought the Samsung 50" plasma 3D tv, 2 sets of glasses, Call of Duty Black Ops game and 3 movies. the bundle was $850. It is an awesome tv. I think I have PTSD from looking at the black ops game in 3D :tongue:

ukwdwnut
04-01-2011, 01:08 AM
Really? We have a 50" LED now (or 47" perhaps? :unsure:) and the picture is not at all fuzzy. It's been fantastic so far :yes: and where as I'd always thought HD wasn't a HUGE improvement on standard definition on our old LCD set, with the LED set it totally feels like a major improvement :yes:

yeah i do...on normal viewing (non hd) around people it was fuzzy a king of sparkly fuzzy, really hard to describe but on hd it was a different story altogether and that was on a 1700 LG set...compared to a 50" panasonic plasma theirs no contest...they reckon the pioneer plasmas were good but now they have gone bust(the tv arm of the company)pansonics are best...i always thought that anyway tbh and blueray on a panasonic plasma just blew me away :)

ukwdwnut
04-01-2011, 01:11 AM
Not sure why Mick the quality on the one we saw was pin sharp, otherwise we wouldn't have gone for it.

not on the set i was watching chris hd was ok but normal wasnt good at all poor imo

josh.p.
04-01-2011, 06:05 PM
yeah i do...on normal viewing (non hd) around people it was fuzzy a king of sparkly fuzzy, really hard to describe but on hd it was a different story altogether and that was on a 1700 LG set...compared to a 50" panasonic plasma theirs no contest...they reckon the pioneer plasmas were good but now they have gone bust(the tv arm of the company)pansonics are best...i always thought that anyway tbh and blueray on a panasonic plasma just blew me away :)
Really? We're watching standard def right now and even if I get up close to the screen it's razor sharp :yes: Different strokes for different folks I suppose!

keith
04-01-2011, 06:22 PM
I agree with Mick on the standard definition actually. I think standard definition works out much better on a plasma than an LCD/LED. I think maybe its just a difference in the technology but when you see the lower resolution of SD scaled up to a LOT of pixels, how the TV does its scaling really seems to matter.

Some how the plasma smooths out the resolution whereas the LCD/LED pixel sharp seems to look wrong, like using an LCD computer monitor at an incorrect resolution.

Heck, all the tvs are so great really relatively to just a few years ago :lol: but yeah, there are differences.

I'd still be happy if someone gave me a 46/50" plasma LED LCD or heck anything really :lol:

Skywatcher
04-01-2011, 07:15 PM
Anyway. I'm happy with what I got and I'm looking forward to it coming :)

Read some really great reviews on it since.

keith
04-01-2011, 07:17 PM
Anyway. I'm happy with what I got and I'm looking forward to it coming :)

Read some really great reviews on it since.

The samsungs are so great these days they really really are. Thats exactly the one I'd love to get

ukwdwnut
04-01-2011, 08:10 PM
Really? We're watching standard def right now and even if I get up close to the screen it's razor sharp :yes: Different strokes for different folks I suppose!

not a case of that at all josh...the LG in std def wasnt very good at all...thats all im saying i cant go by another other make as ive not seen any other leds but for 1700 smackers id want a heck of a lot better than that, thats why id plump for a plasma on a BIG screen :)

josh.p.
04-01-2011, 09:22 PM
not a case of that at all josh...the LG in std def wasnt very good at all...thats all im saying i cant go by another other make as ive not seen any other leds but for 1700 smackers id want a heck of a lot better than that, thats why id plump for a plasma on a BIG screen :)
Well we have an LED LG set and we're watching it right now in standard definition and it's honestly fine. Even if I go right up to the screen. Very strange that you'd have a bad experience with such an expensive one too.

ukwdwnut
05-01-2011, 02:04 PM
Well we have an LED LG set and we're watching it right now in standard definition and it's honestly fine. Even if I go right up to the screen. Very strange that you'd have a bad experience with such an expensive one too.

i know, still its not mine so im not worried :lol:

im going for a 50" panasonic plasma :)

Skywatcher
05-01-2011, 02:35 PM
Very nice they are too, our lounge isn't big enough for one though :)

Always liked Panasonic stuff

Looking for a home cinema system to go with it and I really like the look of the Sony system that has the golf ball sized speakers - hate the great big things we have now

I'm hoping I can just connect everything ( PS3, SKY, Blu ray) to it using just the optical output and connect them all to the TV using the HDMI I really don't want to have to have the surround on to use any of these when I don't want to for watching the news etc :unsure: - think its called teh ID100 or something - tiny little speakers but crazy powerful

josh.p.
05-01-2011, 03:32 PM
We have a yamaha TV stand that has surround sound built into it. It's really good.

Skywatcher
05-01-2011, 04:16 PM
Our TV sits on the end of long wooden cabinet so we can't really have a built in stand for it - we do have a great panasonic DVD/hometheatre setup at the moment but the speakers are getting old and dirty and if we can get tiny speakers that would be great - it costs extra but the rear ones do work wirelessly on the sony as well

josh.p.
05-01-2011, 10:58 PM
Our TV sits on the end of long wooden cabinet so we can't really have a built in stand for it - we do have a great panasonic DVD/hometheatre setup at the moment but the speakers are getting old and dirty and if we can get tiny speakers that would be great - it costs extra but the rear ones do work wirelessly on the sony as well
The sony ones do sound fantastic :yes: Wireless really does help too. We have wooden flooring so we decided not to go for a wired set up and at the time we bought ours wireless hadn't really come out with anything great. I'd definitely go for the wireless ones :yes:

ukwdwnut
08-01-2011, 02:20 AM
Very nice they are too, our lounge isn't big enough for one though :)

Always liked Panasonic stuff

Looking for a home cinema system to go with it and I really like the look of the Sony system that has the golf ball sized speakers - hate the great big things we have now

I'm hoping I can just connect everything ( PS3, SKY, Blu ray) to it using just the optical output and connect them all to the TV using the HDMI I really don't want to have to have the surround on to use any of these when I don't want to for watching the news etc :unsure: - think its called teh ID100 or something - tiny little speakers but crazy powerful

with plasmas the pioneer were supposedly the best but that arm of the company have gone bust and its widely recognised that the panasonic stands out big time now way abouve anything else out there.

im looking at a bose wireless system if i can afford it, i have an onkyo cinema sound amp now with tannoy speakers and im quite happy with the sound....the separation is really good when playing a dvd in dts mode esp the sound effect on something like the newer star trek films and the sound track (full orchestral) sounds superb :D

Esmeralda
08-01-2011, 02:14 PM
All these men going into tv shops... now I know why they keep going. Where else could you get blown away for free!

Skywatcher
15-01-2011, 04:18 PM
It arrived today

:mental:

All setup now

HD sky is mind-blowing , watched harry potter inhd and it is just phenomenal, almost hyper real. It does however make standard def look just awful, but that is more a function of how exceptional HD is !!!

The sky 3d channel is pure magic, watched 'cloudy with a chance of meatballs' and it was pixel perfect, no cross talk at all!!

With 50+ channels in hd including 3 Disney channels we are going to be happy

The blu ray is not a dear one but it's our 1st venture into blu ray and it is cut your eyes sharp. Shrek 3d looks great and the cleaver old samsung can convert the 3d to 2d if you want!!

An unexpected bonus is that the samsung can convert any Programme into 3d !!! Ok some are not brilliant but some are remarkable

The PS3 looks spectacular as well.

I'm sure some systems are better technically but I would struggle to see how it was possible to improve on the picture quality , now that I have had a fairly long play with the picture set up and got it how I like.

Only downside is the sound, which is frankly fine for watching the news and documentaries etc. So a Sony surround will rectify that, it does look like I can output everything to an optical audio and run it through that.

Only mental thing during setup was the PS3!!! the only way to connect it via the hdmi cable was to go into settings and select hdmi out, so I had to connect it via the component first then change the output selection, quickly change the channel to the hdmi and 'agree settings' as it timed out after a few seconds, crazy stuff.

Anyway the little big planet 2 demo we downloaded looks phenomenal , and works really well in 3d .

Keith man, the samsung 8000 46 inch is a thing of slender beauty :)

keith
15-01-2011, 04:21 PM
Keith man, the samsung 8000 46 inch is a thing of slender beauty :)

You're killing me dude :lol:

Yep, it's the one I'd buy for sure. I think I've spent more time in front of the demo one in Currys than at home :lol:

Glad you're pleased with it :)

Skywatcher
15-01-2011, 04:38 PM
It is substantially smaller and lighter than our 42 inch plasma which is strange and the connectivity is very impressive as well

Carpe diem old friend, we come this way only once and all that ;)

Avatar is on on Feb5th on sky 3d , you can only buy this on blu ray as part of a package with the panasonic plasmas and is currently going for an insane 400 on eBay.

Skywatcher
15-01-2011, 04:38 PM
Ooo Alice in wonderland is on in 3d next week as are toy story 3 and 2 :mental:

josh.p.
15-01-2011, 04:47 PM
:mental: So glad you love it, it does sound fantastic!

Skywatcher
15-01-2011, 04:57 PM
So impressed with the blacks at the moment.

keith
15-01-2011, 05:16 PM
So impressed with the blacks at the moment.

I couldn't find a thing wrong with that set and I've spent a long time messing with it in store :lol:

I really think Samsung have pulled away from the market with their lcd/led sets

Deafjeff
15-01-2011, 05:18 PM
wow! Amazing! we were drooling with the 3D tv at currys.....

We off to John Lewis tomorrow for TV shopping (will start another thread as do not want to gatecrash this thread!)

Drooling away.....

keith
15-01-2011, 05:19 PM
wow! Amazing! we were drooling with the 3D tv at currys.....

We off to John Lewis tomorrow for TV shopping (will start another thread as do not want to gatecrash this thread!)

Drooling away.....

which one you after Jeff?

Deafjeff
15-01-2011, 05:20 PM
which one you after Jeff?

poss LED... have posted a message on another thread...

Deafjeff
16-01-2011, 09:02 AM
Which TV would be better suited for 3D Led or Plasma?

Skywatcher
16-01-2011, 10:39 AM
I preferred the 3d on the plasmas in the store, but the 2d on the led, which we will use it for 99.999% of the time.

However now I have it home the 3D is exceptional on the samsung, occasional cross talk but , frankly, I get that when I watch 3D in the cinema.

Watched live golf in 3D last night and when it worked it was phenomenal !!! Some of the crowd looked off at times but this was a live event in. 3D!!!!!

I think I have finally worked out why people say the LCDs don't look real and why the plasmas look more 'cinematic' - I think it's because they are slightly lower definition ! A film at the cinema isn't exactly HD is it, it's just huge. The Harry potter we watched yesterday was so real they could have been in the room, which isn't how it felt in the cinema.

watched land of the lost volcano in HD yesterday and WOW!!!!

The 3D is a great gimmick and I am sure it will grow so I wanted that functionality but for me the LEDs were the better televisions.

Deafjeff
16-01-2011, 05:17 PM
Hi Got 3D TV :jawdrop:

Went for Sony KDL-40HX803 from John Lewis.

We had a quick look at the Resident Evil: Afterlife 3D and Wow! Amazing!

May do report later on :yes:

keith
16-01-2011, 06:44 PM
Went for Sony KDL-40HX803 from John Lewis.


awesome set :) really nice choice :yes:

Skywatcher
16-01-2011, 06:51 PM
Congratulations :mental:

Went o the Sony store in Eastbourne to look at the set up options for the Sony HT IS100 to look at the connectivity to see if I could make it all work and I was very impressed by it , bass was awesome and believe it or not the speakers ( all 5) fit in the palm of your hand!!! They are microscopic.

How much is it , I asked

540 he says

Right ho, says I , sorry mate but amazon are selling it for 400 delivered

' to be honest mate , we are being liquidated and the store is closing on Thursday you can have it for 400 now'

Hmmm ok I'll need 3 optical cables how much are they?

30 quid each

'checking the stock we only have one left that was used as a demo in another store - would you take it off our hands with 3 cables for 350 ???

Well yes yes I did :)

It completes the package, all set up and the bass is awesome even on 'default' and I will have fun setting that up , ps3 sounds good through it too.

Chuffed for you jeff, have fun with it buddy

Deafjeff
16-01-2011, 07:19 PM
Congratulations :mental:

Went o the Sony store in Eastbourne to look at the connectivity for the Sony HT IS100 to look at the connectivity to see if I could make it all work and I was very impressed by it and the connectivity, bass was awesome and believe it or not the speakers ( all 5) fit in the palm of your hand!!! They are microscopic.

How much is it , I asked

540 he says

Right ho, says I , sorry mate but amazon are selling it for 400 delivered

' to be honest mate , we are being liquidated and the store is closing on Thursday you can have it for 400 now'

Hmmm ok I'll need 3 optical cables how much are they?

30 quid each

'checking the stock we only have one left that was used as a demo in another store - would you take it off our hands with 3 cables for 350 ???

Well yes yes I did :)

It completes the package, all set up and the bass is awesome even on 'default' and I will have fun setting that up , ps3 sounds good through it too.

Chuffed for you jeff, have fun with it buddy

Wow! you got a good deal!

John Lewis today made a mistake with the price of the tv ho hum.....

They sold the TV at the older model price (899) we saved 100!! :mental: