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Tink
07-11-2012, 11:50 AM
and to the American public for having enough sense and responsibility to elect the person who will not infringe upon the rights of women and who will continue to battle for the rights for all Americans.

Congratulations too, to Maryland and the great state of Maine; both states which have passed legislation allowing all people to marry regardless of gender. Popularly known as "gay marriage" it is now allowed in these two states.

I realize it was a close call, but I hope that does not indicate more of the same from the other parties. We need consensus building now and no more "no for the sake of no."

Time to pull together and move forward building a country that respects all people, and provides for those who do not currently have the means to provide the basics for themselves. Provision that includes the ability to learn skills to go on to be self supporting.

We should all be happy today. It's the final four years of this President and that is when the hard work usually gets done!

Britchick
07-11-2012, 11:58 AM
I am very thankful for this Tink. :yes:

Skywatcher
07-11-2012, 11:58 AM
The whole thing has been rather an eye opener for me on this side of the pond, simply cannot get my head around how much money is spent on advertising, its all very different over here.

I believe most of teh world beyond the borders of the US will be very gratified with the result last night.

uscwest
07-11-2012, 12:12 PM
Well put Tink.

catrancher
07-11-2012, 12:50 PM
Absolutely! Congratulations and thank goodness. :thumbsup:


simply cannot get my head around how much money is spent on advertising

Which is the major thing wrong with our political system as far as I'm concerned. Politics and elections should, like our Constitution says be about "we the people". Not "we the business". As far as I'm concerned, anything other that personal donations to a political candidate or campaign should be strictly prohibited. And lobbyists stalking the halls of congress should be taken out and shot en masse. Government should represent the people and the people only. Or as Abraham Lincoln so eloquently put it, "of the people, by the people, for the people". Businesses and special interests have no place in it.

Sorry to get on my soapbox. :sorry:

Tom (:macwave:... opinionated.)

uscwest
07-11-2012, 01:51 PM
I wish there was a way we could stop the incessant commercials on TV, radio and everywhere else.

catrancher
07-11-2012, 02:27 PM
I wish there was a way we could stop the incessant commercials on TV, radio and everywhere else.

What about the robocalls? I don't know why they bother with those. When I answer the phone and it's a recording, I arbitrarily hang up. If someone doesn't care enough to talk to me in person, then they don't have anything to say that I'm interested in.

Tom (:macwave:... more pet peeves!)

Mags
07-11-2012, 02:33 PM
I really dont want to tramp on anyone's political views here but here in the UK, I have never met anyone who supports Romney (and I live in one of the safest conservative seats in the country). We tend to follow world and US politics quite closely here and have a good general knowledge of what is happening in the world. I love America but find that everyone I have met there including my relatives know little or nothing of what is happening outside the United States. That amazes me. I find when I am there that world events get so little coverage compared to here. Is this the norm?
Mr Romney did himself no favours when he came to the UK and immediately upset us with his comments about our country and the Olympics. Similarly he upset France, Spain and other European countries. We simply dont understand the opposition to an element of social medicine paid through taxes. It works to a large degree and we are very grateful for it - many of us have some private cover too through work or opt to pay extra to have that cover.
We find his grasp of foreign affairs tenuous to say the least and that is frightening in terms of decisions that would have to be made. I met up with three conservative voting friends this morning (two right of centre) and all were rooting for Obama. Im not sure what I will be saying in 4 years, but honestly, I think that the Republican party made the wrong choice in choosing Mr Romney.

Mags

uscwest
07-11-2012, 02:37 PM
What about the robocalls? I don't know why they bother with those. When I answer the phone and it's a recording, I arbitrarily hang up. If someone doesn't care enough to talk to me in person, then they don't have anything to say that I'm interested in.

Tom (:macwave:... more pet peeves!)
I have caller id and the robo calls either come across as Unknown or as a Polling company. I just turn off the ringer and ignore it.

robertcraig
07-11-2012, 02:50 PM
Good news for AMERICA and most of the rest of the world wanted OBAMA TO WIN

Wendy
07-11-2012, 03:07 PM
:yes: I agree with you Mags, Mitt the Twit as our local radio station have been calling him this morning, didn't seem to have any idea at all. The world is definitely safer now he's lost.

I'm glad Obama got in again :yes:

Johnie
07-11-2012, 03:23 PM
Romney was nominated for the Republican party because he was the better choice out of the other contenders. The others were even further to the right. I even said something back in March that it seemed like some sort of cruel joke to make Romney seem like a good choice. The options were all scary.

I live in a very conservative area. I sometimes feel like the lone liberal here. It was awesome to see that my state of Virginia went for President Obama.

I hold no secrecy about who I vote for. You would not believe the massive amounts of Republican mail that came to my house everyday. I wish all of the campaign money went towards our deficit instead.

catrancher
07-11-2012, 03:37 PM
Keep in mind when you're discussing Mitt the Twit that he only got 37.5% of the vote in the state where he was governor! :jawdrop:

Guess the American populace is not as stupid as certain political parties would like to believe.

Tom (:macwave:... course his remarks about the 47% didn't help him a bit!)

Johnie
07-11-2012, 03:39 PM
He didn't win in any if the states he's lived in! He also lost Wisconsin where Ryan is from. Speaks volumes.

Watchinherskip
07-11-2012, 04:22 PM
Absolutely! Congratulations and thank goodness. :thumbsup:



Which is the major thing wrong with our political system as far as I'm concerned. Politics and elections should, like our Constitution says be about "we the people". Not "we the business". As far as I'm concerned, anything other that personal donations to a political candidate or campaign should be strictly prohibited. And lobbyists stalking the halls of congress should be taken out and shot en masse. Government should represent the people and the people only. Or as Abraham Lincoln so eloquently put it, "of the people, by the people, for the people". Businesses and special interests have no place in it.

Sorry to get on my soapbox. :sorry:

Tom (:macwave:... opinionated.)

Yes Tom, but as a *ahem wise man once said :point:"Corporations are people too."

Watchinherskip
07-11-2012, 04:24 PM
Romney was nominated for the Republican party because he was the better choice out of the other contenders. The others were even further to the right. I even said something back in March that it seemed like some sort of cruel joke to make Romney seem like a good choice. The options were all scary.

I live in a very conservative area. I sometimes feel like the lone liberal here. It was awesome to see that my state of Virginia went for President Obama.

I hold no secrecy about who I vote for. You would not believe the massive amounts of Republican mail that came to my house everyday. I wish all of the campaign money went towards our deficit instead.


Well Johnie..you weren't alone! But I know exactly what you mean. I felt like a voice out in the desert. I think my DSIL put us down as a closet republican as a cruel joke or in the hopes that the tons of mail and incessant calls would sway us. Sheeh!:surrender:

catrancher
07-11-2012, 04:28 PM
Yes Tom, but as a *ahem wise man once said :point:"Corporations are people too."

Yeah. Right. And boy have I got some swampland in Florida I want to talk with him about! :shocked:

Tom (:macwave:... or perhaps a bridge. Yeah. That's the ticket. A bridge!)

Skywatcher
07-11-2012, 04:43 PM
So.. in retroscpect was it really as close as people were fearing/predicing as it doesn't look like it from the outside.

Do people feel that teh way Obama conducted himself re Sandy helped?

uscwest
07-11-2012, 05:57 PM
So.. in retroscpect was it really as close as people were fearing/predicing as it doesn't look like it from the outside.

Do people feel that teh way Obama conducted himself re Sandy helped?

Actually, popular vote wise, it was very close. I think Romney may even have won that, the last I checked. The key was that Obama won in what they called the swing states, with the exception of North Carolina.


You would not believe the massive amounts of Republican mail that came to my house everyday. I wish all of the campaign money went towards our deficit instead. I too got FAR more Republican junk mail than Democrat. And I agree about the campaign money. They spend FAR too much on those ridiculous TV ads.

catrancher
07-11-2012, 06:01 PM
Actually, popular vote wise, it was very close. I think Romney may even have won that, the last I checked.

According to Politico:

Obama - 60,059,313 popular votes, 303 Electoral votes
Romney - 57,379,220 popular votes, 206 Electoral votes

Tom (:macwave:... but who knows if those are right? :unsure:)

Esmeralda
07-11-2012, 06:21 PM
Whether he's President or not (and thank the Lord he is again) I think Obama is a thoroughly decent guy. He's a natural. When I looked at Clinton all I heard was Wah wah wah after that blue dress debacle. Couldn't believe another word uttered from him after that.

I do however believe what Obama says... naive? maybe, but I would have voted for him if I could have.

Dawn
07-11-2012, 07:15 PM
Why is Florida taking so long to declare?:unsure:

uscwest
07-11-2012, 07:18 PM
Why is Florida taking so long to declare?:unsure:

Absentee ballots, over 20,000 in Dade County (Miami) alone.

catrancher
07-11-2012, 07:18 PM
Why is Florida taking so long to declare?:unsure:

Hanging chads. :mental:

Tom (:macwave:... well, it worked in 2000!)

uscwest
07-11-2012, 07:20 PM
According to Politico:

Obama - 60,059,313 popular votes, 303 Electoral votes
Romney - 57,379,220 popular votes, 206 Electoral votes

Tom (:macwave:... but who knows if those are right? :unsure:)

Yeah I checked after I wrote that Tom. I was sort of quoting what I saw before I went to bed last night. Of course then Romney had about a 1 Million vote lead and led in electoral votes 153-143. Of course Ohio and Wisconsin weren't in the president's corner yet, though they were leaning heavily. I think the count is now up to something like 69 Million to 59 Million.

Tink
08-11-2012, 11:19 AM
The amount spent on advertising is a disgrace. If congress wants to do something worthwhile, they'll enact caps for spending on all offices. Running for office must not continue to be about who is the richest and can spend the most money.

For me, Romney was a liar, at the best a spinner of verifiable data. Once he started making statements for which there were data to refute what he'd said, he lost all credibility. Then he started revealing his position on equal rights issues, women's issues, healthcare, Medicare (the federal insurance largely for the elderly) and job growth and I really shut down. I have relatives and many friends in Mass, too and not ONE Of them would support him.

For the record, and in the interest of being excrutiatingly honest, I was not originally a supporter of Barack Obama. I wanted Hillary Clinton to win the first Democratic Primary and was really worried when she didn't. I went on to support him as a lesser of two evils sort of choice. I've come to respect and "like" his work, but didn't start out that way.

I still think Hillary would make one heck of a President!

Mags, no this country is very insular when it comes to "news." The media here thinks it's more important to report stories about celebrities, movie stars, and that sort of trashy stuff than it does the global issues. I listen to the BBC on my way to work so I can keep informed with regard to some of what is going on in the world. We like to blame "the media" here in this country for everything. However, if we started turning off the junk news, and refused to watch that ****, instead demanded relevant information things would change.

Socialized healthcare is a topic that will cause people to actually froth at the mouth here. It's insane! People bash Obamacare as a true demon, yet refuse to understand (or perhaps acknowledge) that what they are bashing ALREADY EXISTS in the healthcare for profit industry. Insurance companies make all the health decisions, not the physicians. Insurance companies dictate treatments, care, testing, everything. Anyone who doesn't believe that has no understanding of the health system in this country. Personally, I think a good social system is a real need, and would benefit this country greatly. People here love to cite "England" and recite horror stories about how you "can't get the care you WANT." Wake up folks, you can't get what you WANT here, but more so you often cannot get what you NEED and that is the real sin.

I'll stop ranting now (maybe :D ).

Mags
08-11-2012, 02:19 PM
I would have to say that our NHS does occasionally have it's problems and from time to time things go wrong, but isnt that the case in any country? I dare say that the 'naysayers' made sure they dug up every story they could about the inadequacies or failings of our system to back up their case. However, I can tell you that 99% of voters (conservative, labour and lib dem) love and defend the system to the hilt. To me, it is eminently sensible that the money doesnt go through a third party and straight to the health system.
This year I was diagnosed with cancer. I had a scan at our local hospital and then immediately was sent to Addenbrookes(Cambridge - which has the best cancer dept in the country supposedly and the best Medical students/staff as many are from the university). My scans, tests, pre op stuff all happened within weeks and before I knew it I had my op. Treatment started soon afterwards. I had my own room, excellent care, food etc and the follow ups have been of the same standard. I mean, what's not to like? I am paying from general taxation just as everyone else is. What is wrong with an element of socialised medicine which serves the whole populous?
Anyone who wants, can take out private insurance but that isnt the norm. We just do not understand why our health system is denigrated by some in your country. Is it that they are protecting an out of control insurance system? I am genuinely asking that question as I dont know the answer.
To be honest, every health system has it's problems/horror stories. There have been quite a few I can tell you from people on other holiday forums from the States too,(a nurse friend is one) but that is going to happen under any system. I do scratch my head over the opposition to a socialised system.
As an aside Tink, I dont know whether you have been following Donald Trump on Twitter over the past few days but it has been a joy to see him foaming at the mouth and threatening a march on Washington as 'democracy has failed'. I didnt see him making the same complaint in 2000! lol

Mags

Johnie
08-11-2012, 02:35 PM
Donald Trump is a moron.

I am saddened and disheartened by the nasty and bold posts on Facebook. This morning I saw a picture of a tombstone that said the US had committed suicide :-(

And the more I hear people say they aren't racist is just reaffirming my belief that they are.

We are a country divided and it makes me sad :-(

catrancher
08-11-2012, 02:35 PM
We just do not understand why our health system is denigrated by some in your country. Is it that they are protecting an out of control insurance system?

Yep. I'd be willing to bet that a lot of the denigration is the result of marketing money spent by the insurance companies to protect their turf. Probably has nothing at all to do with how people really feel.

Tom (:macwave:... and they wonder why health costs are out of control.)

uscwest
08-11-2012, 02:52 PM
As Abraham Lincoln once said "A house divided against itself cannot stand. I believe this government cannot endure, permanently, half slave and half free. I do not expect the Union (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_%28Civil_War%29) to be dissolved I do not expect the house to fall but I do expect it will cease to be divided. It will become all one thing or all the other. Either the opponents of slavery will arrest the further spread of it, and place it where the public mind shall rest in the belief that it is in the course of ultimate extinction; or its advocates will push it forward, till it shall become alike lawful in all the States, old as well as new North as well as South.[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lincoln%27s_House_Divided_Speech#cite_note-0)"

The fact that our country is so divided is extremely scary. Admittedly, not in the same way that it was divided when he was president, but until congress can work together I fear that we are destined to fail. And it probably won't matter, in the long run, which man won the election if congress can't work together. Sadly.

DisneyFreak
08-11-2012, 05:54 PM
This election was brought to you by the letter "B" and the letter "O" and by the number "4". Big Bird has approved this message.

catrancher
08-11-2012, 05:56 PM
This election was brought to you by the letter "B" and the letter "O" and by the number "4". Big Bird has approved this message.

:ROFL: https://dl.dropbox.com/u/75186662/smilies/lmaof.gif https://dl.dropbox.com/u/75186662/smilies/tracy.gif

Tom (:macwave:... tickle me Elmo!)

Claire
08-11-2012, 08:39 PM
I've heard a couple of references to Big Bird with regards to Mitt Romney. Is Big Bird a friend of Mitts?

DisneyFreak
08-11-2012, 09:28 PM
I've heard a couple of references to Big Bird with regards to Mitt Romney. Is Big Bird a friend of Mitts?

Far from......Romney threatened to stop funding Public Television as part of his budget cuts. :nono:

Johnie
09-11-2012, 12:21 AM
The governor of Virginia told state agencies to cut budgets by 4% for Jan.

Deafjeff
09-11-2012, 07:27 AM
I am also glad that Obama won too.

Now we have our general election in 2015 and no idea who to vote for :unsure:

Claire
09-11-2012, 05:44 PM
Far from......Romney threatened to stop funding Public Television as part of his budget cuts. :nono:

:thumbsdown: