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28-09-2008, 11:35 PM
I was talking to girls at work last week about orlando and one made a joke about florida not being able to count its votes in elections? I keep meaning to google it but what did she mean?

28-09-2008, 11:43 PM
Googling it probably is your best bet, but here goes...!

Back during the 2000 presidential election, Florida still used the old mechanical voting machines. Place the ballot in the machine, pull the lever, and a hole is punched. Theoretically.

It was manual and some people didn't pull the handle hard enough or check to be sure the hole was completely punched. So when the ballots were counted--manually--some indentations were counted as a vote, as were hanging bits ("hanging chads" is the correct term)--or not. It just depended on who was counting. So when the recounts began...

You can guess the rest. It was a real guessing game as to the intent of the voter at times.

In the 2004 elections, electronic voting machines were introduced. However, there was no audit trail, so no possibility of a recount. It had to be assumed that the electronic tabulations were correct--a scary thought when electing a national leader, don't you think? :unsure: This actually affected many states, not just Florida.

But the hanging chads are all Florida! :D

29-09-2008, 02:02 AM
The Secretary of State, Katherine Harris also circumvented the recount process which resulted in law suits and a change in many election officials here in Florida.

It was a huge mess (and yes, revealed many issues in other states) that was brought to light with the hanging chad issue, but was not limited to that. Election officials were exposed for corruption, illegal practices, circumventing the registration process, and discriminating again a large number of people who were refused their legal right to vote.

While the hanging chads are most often remembered, the entire voting fiasco it was much more severe than that. :(

Card Hole Aggregate Debris has often been used as an acronym definition for CHAD, but it is thought (more reliably) that the term comes from the inventor of an early keypunch machine (those machines that caused a series of holes to be punched in cards that went on to be used with computers) Chadless.

29-09-2008, 11:35 AM
She could also have been referring to Florida 'not counting' in the Democrat primaries this year. Historically, Florida have voted on or after "super tuesday", but this year there was a small chance that they could swing the election before that, so they brought their primaries forward. This really screwed up alot of stuff, and didn't really help anything, it was just a play to get them some more attention from the media and party themselves - so as punishment, the party initially decided to discount their votes completely.

As the primaries season drew to a close, and Hillary needed all the extra votes she could get, she started campaigning to get them re-included. They ended up agreeing on halving their votes. Again, it made no difference...