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josh.p.
03-01-2009, 08:26 PM
I got my Ubuntu disk in the post today and installed it on a partition on my Laptop... at the minute I'm 50/50.. it feels like a cross between OS X and Windows:unsure:

keith
03-01-2009, 08:33 PM
In a way this is one of those conversations that you just don't wanna get into :lol:

If you're hoping to get something out of the experience, I'd say forget the comparisons with other operating systems and learn about the unix underpinnings.

So, forget the GUI, call up a few terminal windows and start learning the file system layout, how to install things, the unix commands and so on.

It's my humble opinion that linux isn't much good as a desktop right now. Windows, Macosx etc. all better. However, as a server operating system linux is now very good (and cheap).

Tink
03-01-2009, 08:38 PM
Well, I haven't a clue as to what ya'll are talking about, but I can tell you that it has taken us about two hours to get Herself's Mother's new computer connected to AOL. :rolleyes: Needed to contact AOL (they have an amazing online tech support. thank heaven for the laptop). Needed to get instructions from the techie...needed to download the software. All that was ok. The trick came in burning the dvd. I have a dvd PLAYER on my laptop but only a CD burner. Is that possible? Regardless, necessitated a run to Walmart to get a CD RW disc...

The whole time we were struggling with something that was supposed to be SIMPLE I kept thinking Keith wouldn't have this problem...nor Josh...nor Mick...

We've talked her into Broadband. :D

PsychoAlice
03-01-2009, 08:42 PM
people still use AOHell?

Sorry long ago I was one of those techies....I hate even having their messenger on my computer....

josh.p.
03-01-2009, 09:06 PM
I'm not a fan of AOL at all. They are so hard to wipe of your computer. They're fine so long as you stay with them for life.... which no-one can really say they will, surely?

Tink
04-01-2009, 01:11 AM
She's still on dial up right now. Once she gets the service people in to switch her over to broadband (actually fiber optic) she'll be done with AOL once and for all. :yes:

ukwdwnut
04-01-2009, 02:16 AM
hmmmmmmmm i was going to break my 2nd pc and install ubuntu tomorrow to see what its like

PsychoAlice
04-01-2009, 04:00 AM
whhhat the hell is that?

ukwdwnut
04-01-2009, 12:21 PM
whhhat the hell is that?

ubuntu is a linux operating system....and totally free......whether its any good is a different matter.....i will always have windows....am looking into getting a second user macbook too

Taja
04-01-2009, 02:53 PM
I LINUX based on the UNIX platform? I was reading about it before it became available, but haven't followed up on it. I really like UNIX, but it isn't the most user-friendly OS. And the software tends to be much more expensive. So as Keith mentioned, it's best for servers, IMHO.



people still use AOHell?

Sorry long ago I was one of those techies....I hate even having their messenger on my computer....

I'm one of those still stuck in AOHell. :lol:

DSL or broadband may be available in April. Or may not. :sigh: They keep routing everything around this area. I'm beginning to feel slighted! :rolleyes:

keith
04-01-2009, 03:09 PM
I LINUX based on the UNIX platform? I was reading about it before it became available, but haven't followed up on it. I really like UNIX, but it isn't the most user-friendly OS. And the software tends to be much more expensive. So as Keith mentioned, it's best for servers, IMHO.


It's a subject of some debate ;) UNIX is a brand now, so linux can't officially be called UNIX although of course, functionally, that's exactly what it is :yes:

The software well, as you say there's some very expensive stuff out there but then there are many thousands of applications and packages released under free licenses which are freely downloadable.

As a server OS, it's thoroughly ubiquitous now and whereas in the old days, things were packaged for HPUX or Solaris, now you face the easiest time of all installing packages on Linux.

As a desktop OS it's awful and it's amazing to me how the world could get so many thousands of talented developers together and utterly fail to understand how to code a nice GUI.

Ubuntu is a particular variant of linux led by a guy who has finally come round to agreeing that the desktop UI stinks. He's pledging to employ people to actually improve it this year and thus says 09/10 could be linux on the desktop time. Well, maybe! I hope so! Apple and Microsoft need competition but what a shame they didnt have it ready for when Vista came out. Many more people would be using linux on the desktop if they'd got a decent desktop out when vista slithered onto the market.

ukwdwnut
04-01-2009, 03:33 PM
I LINUX based on the UNIX platform? I was reading about it before it became available, but haven't followed up on it. I really like UNIX, but it isn't the most user-friendly OS. And the software tends to be much more expensive. So as Keith mentioned, it's best for servers, IMHO.

I'm one of those still stuck in AOHell. :lol:

DSL or broadband may be available in April. Or may not. :sigh: They keep routing everything around this area. I'm beginning to feel slighted! :rolleyes:


your still on dial up....i thought those days were long gone, one company is offering 50mg BB via cable here now.....and my town has no cable stayem at all :(

Hex
04-01-2009, 04:29 PM
"It's a whole new world..."

sorry, could not resist :)

I have been using Linux in one form or another for a few years now. I am currently using Ubuntu. In the past I have tried SUSE, Mandrake / Mandriva, Red Hat / Fedora, and Debian.

As Keith mentioned, Linux is a stong player in the server world, particularly on public web servers (using the Apache webserver). It has yet to become a major contender in the mainstream desktop market, although several attempts have been made in the last few years.

One of the great strengths of Linux, for those who care, is it's flexibility, and large choice of different software that can be used to perform a particular task. In many ways this is a good thing, but it can also be considered it's Achilles heel. In some ways there is too much choice for the average person to deal with. When you think of Windows you have a fairly clear idea what that consists of. When you think of "Linux" you have to then consider which one of the 100's of distributions / versions you are referring to... it's a bit of a moving target :)

josh.p.
04-01-2009, 04:44 PM
The GUI is what puts me off a bit. I think even down to the font its a bit amateurist, but much it's free so I don't want to complain too much. Is there a Windows Live messenger for Linux?

Hex
04-01-2009, 04:47 PM
From a geeky technical persepective, it can be nice to have the ability to "look under the hood" and see how it works, if that is something that interests you (geek here :))

For my needs I find Linux fine for my computing needs (internet, programming, graphics, etc...).

Games are one area that Linux is not great for, as there is very little interest or support for Linux from the major Games publishers. There are ways to get certain windows-based Games running in Linux (using Wine (a windows emulator)) but that can be fairly technical and not necessarily produce a perfect result (graphics / audio issues etc...)

Progress is being made rapidly, and companies such as Canonical (the people behind Ubuntu), Red Hat, IBM, and others are bringing commercial / legal support and financing into the community to help bring Linux further into everyday use and acceptance... there is still some way to go, but it is getting there :)

... erm... what was the question again?... i appear to have gone off on a tangent :)

... in summary, Linux suits my needs fine, and it is an interesting alternative to Windows if you are willing to give it a go... it may not suit everybody though.

Hex
04-01-2009, 05:01 PM
The GUI is what puts me off a bit. I think even down to the font its a bit amateurist, but much it's free so I don't want to complain too much. Is there a Windows Live messenger for Linux?


The default GUI in Ubuntu is based on GNOME... one of many alternative user interfaces available. The other major GUI is known as KDE. Kbuntu is the sibling distribution of Ubuntu that uses KDE by default instead of GNOME. KDE is more windows-like.

It is possible to download and install KDE in Ubuntu alongside GNOME. The "Add / Remove..." software tool in the "Applications" menu allows you to find and install new packages. Search for "KDE4", and you can install KDE (it will be a big download and will take some time). If you do download it, you will be able choose the type of "session" you want when you login to Ubuntu... you will have the option of a KDE session as well as your default / GNOME sessions...

More info, screenshots etc of KDE: http://kde.org/screenshots/

...

As to a Windows Messenger equivalent... there are many IRC / Messaging programs that provide access to the Windows Messenger service among others.

"Pidgin" is the default Windows Messenger equivalent program in Ubuntu. You may already have it installed. If not you can find it in the "Applications > Add / Remove" installation tool.

Good luck :)

Tink
04-01-2009, 05:08 PM
Good heavens, Hex! I think that is the most I've "heard" you say, ever! :yes: Nice to have you with us! :9:

Hex
04-01-2009, 05:12 PM
Indeed, yes I tend to lurk rather than post :)

I can ramble on about technical things that interest me for quite a while however :)

Dawn
04-01-2009, 05:27 PM
Steven says is there any chance of any dinner. :D

Hex
04-01-2009, 05:31 PM
Steven says is there any chance of any dinner. :D

possibly... depends on the level of the bribe... :)

josh.p.
06-01-2009, 10:35 PM
Firstly... THANKS :D for all the great info you've given me, I really appreciate you taking the time to give me all that info.

The default GUI in Ubuntu is based on GNOME... one of many alternative user interfaces available. The other major GUI is known as KDE. Kbuntu is the sibling distribution of Ubuntu that uses KDE by default instead of GNOME. KDE is more windows-like.

It is possible to download and install KDE in Ubuntu alongside GNOME. The "Add / Remove..." software tool in the "Applications" menu allows you to find and install new packages. Search for "KDE4", and you can install KDE (it will be a big download and will take some time). If you do download it, you will be able choose the type of "session" you want when you login to Ubuntu... you will have the option of a KDE session as well as your default / GNOME sessions...

More info, screenshots etc of KDE: http://kde.org/screenshots/

...

As to a Windows Messenger equivalent... there are many IRC / Messaging programs that provide access to the Windows Messenger service among others.

"Pidgin" is the default Windows Messenger equivalent program in Ubuntu. You may already have it installed. If not you can find it in the "Applications > Add / Remove" installation tool.

Good luck :)
I have had a look at Pidgin and it's really quite nice. Similar to Adium really. I am getting a bit more used to Linux, I do like it and have never had an error message (but I suppose I haven't installed anything on it yet!!) It reminds me so much of Mac OSX but seems a bit more 'geeky' than Mac OSX (in a good way! Geeky is good) I am becoming a fan of Linux though :yes: I am also getting used to the GUI and have fiddled with it a bit to get it to my liking :thumbsup:


From a geeky technical persepective, it can be nice to have the ability to "look under the hood" and see how it works, if that is something that interests you (geek here :))

For my needs I find Linux fine for my computing needs (internet, programming, graphics, etc...).

Games are one area that Linux is not great for, as there is very little interest or support for Linux from the major Games publishers. There are ways to get certain windows-based Games running in Linux (using Wine (a windows emulator)) but that can be fairly technical and not necessarily produce a perfect result (graphics / audio issues etc...)

Progress is being made rapidly, and companies such as Canonical (the people behind Ubuntu), Red Hat, IBM, and others are bringing commercial / legal support and financing into the community to help bring Linux further into everyday use and acceptance... there is still some way to go, but it is getting there :)

... erm... what was the question again?... i appear to have gone off on a tangent :)

... in summary, Linux suits my needs fine, and it is an interesting alternative to Windows if you are willing to give it a go... it may not suit everybody though.
Consoles are for games, not Computers :yes: (Geek speaking here!!) It is really growing on me tbh. Nice stuff, especially considering it was 0!

keith
06-01-2009, 10:49 PM
Alas dear Josh, lost to the penguin brigade :nono:

josh.p.
06-01-2009, 11:12 PM
My heart is still shaped like an apple.... but since I can't install OSX on this laptop... then linux can be my laptop friend LOL