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Claire
20-01-2009, 09:07 AM
I'm actually quite excited about today!

mumof2
20-01-2009, 10:49 AM
I'm have This Morning on in the background and they're talking about it right now - there *is* an excitement about today!! :yes:

Deb
20-01-2009, 10:52 AM
Me too! I'm glad I'm not working today as I'm really looking forward to sitting down this afternoon and watching the formal stuff happen.

Disneybumble
20-01-2009, 11:01 AM
:flagwave:

President Obama


:flagwave:



Doesn't that sound good . So excited to watch History take place.

kazzaqld
20-01-2009, 11:20 AM
It will be 3am local time here - so forgive me if I don't stay up to watch! :)

But I am just as happy and looking forward to watching the reports when I wake up!

Night night all - Happy Obama Day! :hug2:

lisaw
20-01-2009, 11:20 AM
I'm have This Morning on in the background and they're talking about it right now - there *is* an excitement about today!! :yes:

The man on This Morning - Ian Manners lives just up the road from me, he is quite a celebrity around here - that is my claim to fame even though I haven't met him and his relationship to Barack is so complicated I can't even begin to decipher it. His daughter is at the ceremony today though :)

Claire
20-01-2009, 11:27 AM
Ok, can I impress people by saying I know LisaW how knows of a person who knows Mr Obama? :yes:

mumof2
20-01-2009, 11:30 AM
The man on This Morning - Ian Manners lives just up the road from me, he is quite a celebrity around here - that is my claim to fame even though I haven't met him and his relationship to Barack is so complicated I can't even begin to decipher it. His daughter is at the ceremony today though :)


yes i saw him, I'm not sure how he's related, but I saw his daughter is there


Ok, can I impress people by saying I know LisaW how knows of a person who knows Mr Obama? :yes:


excellent thinking! I can say that too :thumbsup:

lisaw
20-01-2009, 11:32 AM
Go for it :lol:

I think the daughter went to my twos school for a while because a friend who lives near him had some hand me down school uniform from her - she wouldn't let her kids wear it as it was too precious :lol:

Getting a bit complicated now isn't it? :lol:

Deb
20-01-2009, 11:32 AM
Don't you love that 6 degrees thing? You are only ever 6 people away from anyone in the world? :)

lisaw
20-01-2009, 11:35 AM
Obama's dads first wife lives in Bracknell, Ian Manners was married to her daughter I think so kind of Obamas step sister.

Apparantly Obama was at Ian's stag night - a pub crawl in Wokingham :D

mumof2
20-01-2009, 11:36 AM
Go for it :lol:

I think the daughter went to my twos school for a while because a friend who lives near him had some hand me down school uniform from her - she wouldn't let her kids wear it as it was too precious :lol:

Getting a bit complicated now isn't it? :lol:


:thumbsup: oh how cool! :lol:

mumof2
20-01-2009, 11:38 AM
Obama's dads first wife lives in Bracknell, Ian Manners was married to her daughter I think so kind of Obamas step sister.

Apparantly Obama was at Ian's stag night - a pub crawl in Wokingham :D


LOL - I love it, what a story....:lol: Fantastic!

I would be letting everyone know my connection for sure ! :yes:

lisaw
20-01-2009, 11:39 AM
The family are in the local papers on a weekly basis - they are sure making the most of it :lol:

mumof2
20-01-2009, 11:41 AM
The family are in the local papers on a weekly basis - they are sure making the most of it :lol:


I don't blame them - I'd be proud to be able to say I am related in a roundabout way to Mr Obama:yes:

Skywatcher
20-01-2009, 11:57 AM
:mental:

i have waited for this day for 8 years

Tink
21-01-2009, 02:03 PM
And today we look forward to Senator Hillary Clinton being voted on and approved as the Secretary of State. Glorious. :yes:

It's time folks. Time to roll up the sleeves and get to work cleaning up the mess that this country and world now finds itself in. Will take all of us! :yes:

uscwest
22-01-2009, 01:53 AM
And today we look forward to Senator Hillary Clinton being voted on and approved as the Secretary of State. Glorious. :yes:

It's time folks. Time to roll up the sleeves and get to work cleaning up the mess that this country and world now finds itself in. Will take all of us! :yes:
Hillary was overwhelmingly approved by the Senate today. I think she will be a good Secretary of State.

Johnie
22-01-2009, 01:59 AM
Oh me too!

Beccaberry
22-01-2009, 02:00 AM
And Obama "retook" the oath of office today :D

Just to make it nice and tidy

Tink
22-01-2009, 03:03 AM
There was a comment made on one of the newscasts I was listening to that suggested the Chief Justice deliberately flubbed the lines because President Obama voted against his appointment when he was a senator.

I really hope that's not true. :(

uscwest
22-01-2009, 12:17 PM
There was a comment made on one of the newscasts I was listening to that suggested the Chief Justice deliberately flubbed the lines because President Obama voted against his appointment when he was a senator.

I really hope that's not true. :(I would hope that Justice Roberts didn't do it on purpose also Tink. However, Mr. Obama did vote NO during Justice Roberts' confirmation hearing.

mainecoon lover
22-01-2009, 02:11 PM
And Obama "retook" the oath of office today :D

Just to make it nice and tidy

Apparently without the bible to swear on though. Some are saying he may need to do it for a third time.

Beccaberry
22-01-2009, 02:24 PM
Must say, I would be surprised to learn that is even "mandatory"....what if you're an atheist?

Johnie
22-01-2009, 07:11 PM
Oh I doubt seriously that one would be elected president in this country if they were vocal about being an atheist.

Deb
22-01-2009, 07:25 PM
I seem to remember one of the many interesting facts from "the day" - one president did not swear on the bible but on a law book.

Just looked it up:

Records kept by the Architect of the Capitol suggest only one president in the 216 years since Washington was inaugurated did not take the oath of office with one hand on a Bible. Franklin Pierce, the 14th president, "affirmed"-- but did not "swear" -- his oath with one hand on a law book, instead of a Bible. Some historical records say Pierce did so because of a crisis of faith after his only remaining child, an 11-year-old boy, was killed in a train accident a few weeks before the inauguration.

So I guess it isn't mandatory?

Dawn
22-01-2009, 07:38 PM
Nothing in the Constitution about taking the oath with a bible present.

Tink
22-01-2009, 10:58 PM
As well there shouldn't be. It should be a matter of choice. Some very devout people won't "swear" to G-d or on a bible, believing that is sacrilegious.

Beccaberry
22-01-2009, 11:34 PM
That's what I was thinking...I know that the phrase "So help me God" is not a part of the constitutional oath...and I didn't think the bible was a mandatory bit either...

Tinker
24-01-2009, 03:58 PM
OK, guys thumbs up or down on the release of some terrorists( 9/11) and the removal of others being brought to the US . Scary Thought !

Tink
24-01-2009, 04:00 PM
What terrorists?
If you mean the GitMo Bay detainees, there is nothing to substantiate that those being held their are terrorists.

Britchick
24-01-2009, 04:05 PM
What terrorists?
If you mean the GitMo Bay detainees, there is nothing to substantiate that those being held their are terrorists.

:yes: precisely, they need to be tried if thought to be guilty everyone has the right to a trial

Tink
24-01-2009, 04:08 PM
They need to be charged first! I was listening to a news report on NPR yesterday and all but six of the detainees there have not been charged with anything.

Hence, "detainee" and not "suspect."

Dawn
24-01-2009, 04:20 PM
Doesn't habeas corpus mean anything to Bush?

Held without trial for years and no evidence to substantiate they are terrorists.

Don't get me wrong - I was as appalled as the next person by 9/11 but Guantanamo Bay was just wrong.

Tink
24-01-2009, 04:23 PM
Habeus Corpus doesn't apply in Military matters. That's why they were sent to GitMo. Keep it in the juris prudence of the Military.

Bush and his advisors were completely wrong on this one. They played the terrorist fear to the maximum and used that fear to manipulate many things.

As President Obama has said, our need for safety and security must not violate the principles of the American society and our dignity. I thought that was a pretty clear message on how he feels some of this Homeland Security stuff has been handled.

Personally, I cringe at that name, Homeland Security. Sounds way too Reich"ish" to me. :(

Dawn
24-01-2009, 04:28 PM
Sends out a clear signal about distancing himself from the immediate past.

And why does the US occupy a part of Cuba anyway? :unsure:

Tink
24-01-2009, 04:34 PM
Because it can. I honestly can't remember the history behind it (ask Dawn, she's the history major, I hated American History! :eek: ) but I think it goes back to the Bay of Pigs.

Dawn
24-01-2009, 04:36 PM
It was me that asked the question. :rotfl:

Tink
24-01-2009, 04:37 PM
Yeah, I know. :D

Tink
24-01-2009, 04:39 PM
OK. Here's more than you ever want to know about GitMo Bay. :D Not Bay of Pigs related at all... (From globalsecurity.org military website).


Guantanamo Bay [GTMO] "GITMO"

U.S. Naval Base Guantanamo Bay is the oldest U.S. base overseas and the only one in a Communist country. Located on the southeast corner of Cuba, in the Oriente Province, the base is about 400 air miles from Miami, Florida. The terrain and climate of Guantanamo Bay make it a haven for iguanas and banana rats.

In December 1903, the United States leased the 45 square miles of land and water for use as a coaling station. A treaty reaffirmed the lease in 1934 granting Cuba and her trading partners free access through the bay, payment of $2,000 in gold per year, equating to $4,085 today, and a requirement that both the U.S. and Cuba must mutually consent to terminate the lease.

Diplomatic relations with Cuba were cut in 1961 by President Dwight Eisenhower. At this time, many Cubans sought refuge on the base. U.S. Marines and Cuban militiamen began patrolling opposite sides of the base's 17.4 mile fenceline. Today, U.S. Marines and Cuba's "Frontier Brigade" still man fenceline posts 24 hours a day.

In October 1962, family members of service people stationed here and many base employees were evacuated to the United States as President John F. Kennedy announced the presence of Soviet missiles in Cuba. This was the start of the Cuban Missile Crisis which resulted in a naval quarantine of the island until the Soviet Union removed the missiles. The evacuees were allowed to return to the base by Christmas 1962.

Another crisis arose just 14 months later on Feb. 6, 1964, when Castro cut off water and supplies to the base in retaliation for several incidents in which Cuban fishermen were fined by the U.S. government for fishing in Florida waters. Since then, Guantanamo Bay has been self-sufficient and the Naval Base desalination plant produces 3.4 million gallons of water and more than 800,000 kilowatt hours of electricity daily.

The base is divided into two distinct areas by the 2 1/2 mile-wide Guantanamo Bay. The airfield is located on the Leeward side and the main base is on the Windward side. Ferry service provides transportation across the bay. The primary mission of Guantanamo Bay is to serve as a strategic logistics base for the Navy’s Atlantic Fleet and to support counter drug operations in the Caribbean.

In 1991, the naval base's mission expanded as some 34,000 Haitian refugees passed through Guantanamo Bay. The refugees fled Haiti after a violent coup brought on by political and social upheaval in their country. The naval base received the Navy Unit Commendation and Joint Meritorious Unit Award for its effort.

In May 1994, Operation Sea Signal began and the naval base was tasked to support Joint Task Force 160, here providing humanitarian assistance to thousands of Haitian and Cuban migrants. In late August and early September 1994, 2,200 family members and civilian employees were evacuated from the base as the migrant population climbed to more than 45,000 and the Pentagon began preparing to house up to 60,000 migrants on the base. The last Haitian migrants departed here Nov. 1, 1995. The last of the Cuban migrants left the base Jan. 31, 1996. In October 1995, family members were authorized to return, marking an end to family separations. An immediate effort began to restore base facilities for family use, including a child development center, a youth center, two schools and Sunday school. Additionally, the revitalization of Boy and Girl Scout Camps and the Guantanamo Bay Youth Activities (a free sports program for children) was enacted.

During the Haitian migrant operation "Operation Sea Signal" at Guantanamo Bay, a number of migrant camps were set-up at "Radio Range" the site of the Naval Base's radio antennas on the south side of the base, and the future site of the more permanent detainee facility. To identify the camps, a name was designated to each to correspond with the phonetic alphabet used for official military "radio" communication (Camp Alpha, Camp Bravo up to Camp Golf). When additional sites were established on the north side of the base, camp names were designated using the opposite end of the alphabet, to include Camp X-Ray. Camp X-Ray is the only camp site on the northern side of the base and is currently used as a temporary detention facility.

Since Sea Signal, Guantanamo Bay has retained a migrant operations mission with an ongoing steady state migrant population of approximately 40. The base has also conducted two contingency migrant operations: Operation Marathon in October 1996 and Present Haven in February 1997. Both of these short-fused events involved the interception of Chinese migrants being smuggled into the United States.

After 52 years of service, Guantanamo's Fleet Training Group relocated to Mayport, Florida, in July 1995. One month later, the naval base lost another major tenant command when the base's Shore Intermediate Maintenance Activity disestablished after 92 years of service.

On 13 June 2003 Brown & Root Services, a division of Kellogg Brown & Root, Arlington, Va., was awarded a $12,495,601 modification to Task Order 0038 at under a cost-reimbursement, indefinite-delivery/indefinite-quantity construction contract for various facilities, Radio Range, U.S. Naval Base, Guantanamo Bay. The work to be performed included new facilities for traffic control checkpoints (main and secondary checkpoints), troop bed-down facility, troop dining facility and destructive weather improvements to detention facility structures. The project was to also include site work, heating, ventilation and air-conditioning, plumbing and electrical work, as required for the various facilities. Work was to be performed at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, and was expected to be completed by June 2004. Contract funds wouldnot expire at the end of the fiscal year. The basic contract was competitively procured with 44 proposals solicited, three offers received and award made on June 29, 2000. The total contract amount was not to exceed $300,000,000, which included the base period and four option years. The Naval Facilities Engineering Command, Atlantic Division, Norfolk, Va., was the contracting activity (N62470-00-D-0005).

The Naval Base includes, as separate commands, a Naval Hospital and Branch Dental Clinic, detachments of the Personnel Support Activity, Naval Atlantic Meteorologic and Oceanographic Command, Naval Media Center, Naval Communications Station, Department of Defense Dependent Schools and a Navy Brig. Directly supporting the base as departments of Naval Station are Naval Criminal Investigative Service, Resident Officer in Charge of Construction, Human Resources Office, Family Support and Service Center, Red Cross, Security and Navy Exchange/Commissary.

Guantanamo Bay, located on the southeast coast of the island of Cuba about 500 statute miles southeast of Miami, Florida, is approached via the Windward Passage from the north or the Caribbean Sea from the south . Guantanamo Bay is the largest bay on the extreme south coast of Cuba, and affords anchorage for deep-draft ships. The bay is a pouch-shaped indentation about 12 miles long in a northeast-southwest direction and about 6 miles across at its greatest width. Guantanamo Valley, a low, hilly district, extends westward from the bay along the Sierra Maestra. The deep bay is sheltered by the nearby Cuzco Hills (elevations to 495 ft) to the south and east and by mountains to the north.

Entrance into the bay, between Leeward Point and Windward Point, is made through a 1 1/4 mile-wide channel with 42 ft least dredged depth up to a point westward of Fisherman Point. From there to a point southwestward of Caravela Point, the least dredged depth is 32 ft.

The bay complex is divided into an Outer Harbor and an Inner Harbor. The Outer Harbor stretches from the entrance to the Naval Reservation Boundary about 5 miles northeastward. The channel narrows to 250 yards here, at Palma Point, then widens into two separate bays whose total width is about 5 miles; the upper half, known as Ensenada de Joa, forms the Inner Harbor in which commercial ports are located. The naval base and the main anchorage area are contained within the Outer Harbor area.

The naval complex is located on the east side of the harbor between Fisherman Point (1 3/4 miles north of Windward Point) and Granadillo Point, abut 2 3/4 miles northeastward. The area contains many coves and peninsulas and a few islands. Much of the land here is elevated well above water level. The western side of Guantanamo Bay, generally low and mangrove-covered, contains many mud flats.

The more important coves, located between Corinaso Point and Deer Point, contain the pier and wharf facilities of the naval base. The land is lower and flatter here for a few hundred yards inland. Two airfields are located within the naval complex: McCalla Airfield, on the east side of the harbor entrance, is inactive; Leeward Point Field on the west side is an active naval air station.

Water depths vary from about 60 ft just inside the harbor entrance to approximately 30 ft in Granadillo Bay (on the east side of the Outer Harbor) and at the entrance to Eagle Channel. Many of the coves are only 25 ft deep. The mean tide range is 1.0 ft and the spring tide range is 1.3 ft. Periodic tidal variations as great as 4-5 ft have been observed, but these probably were meteorological versus astronomical phenomena. Harbor tidal currents in Guantanamo Bay are estimated to be about .25 kt on the flood to .50 kt on the ebb. Locally at the river mouth, stronger currents are observed periodically. Swells ranging 3-5 ft are common during the afternoons and nights, extending upbay from the harbor entrance to Fisherman Point. During an extended period of fresh southerly winds from a recent winter storm on the Gulf of Mexico (Apr 83), waves up to 10-12 ft were observed in the outer harbor; these disrupted the lifeline ferry service from Leeward Point for two days.

At Guantanamo Bay, the Outer Harbor is used by the US Navy and the Inner Harbor serves as a commercial (Cuban) port. This evaluation deals with the facilities of the Outer Harbor only, although the climatology section is appropriate for both harbors. The Outer Harbor includes that portion of Guantanamo Bay from the entrance north to Palma Point (approximately 19° 58' 24"N). The major naval facilities are contained within Corinaso Cove from Corinaso Point to Radio Point. There are five piers available, varying in length from 180-900 ft with depths alongside from 20 to 35 ft. Three wharves provide accommodations up to 1065 ft with depths to 38 ft. Piers and wharves range from 6 to 10 ft in height above MSL. It should be noted that dredge depths decrease along some piers (see Pier B) and also that dredge width may be minimal and maneuvering is consequently difficult. Berths and anchorages in Guantanamo Bay are assigned by the Port Services Officer. The naval anchorage areas for deep-draft vessels are in the Outer Harbor. Pilots are available and required for ships engaged in commercial trade, but are not compulsory for ships of the US Navy. Tugs (normally two available) and other harbor services may be arranged through Port Control. Emergency harbor services are available 24 hours a day.

In early 2005, four white wind turbines began operating John Paul Jones Hill, the base’s highest point, named after the Revolutionary War naval hero. The turbines, standing at 80 meters (262 feet) high, feature three-blade turbines. The four turbines were estimated to provide as much as a quarter of the base’s power generation during the high-wind months of late summer and fall; an appreciable fact given that Guantanamo Bay is completely self-sustaining, generating its own power and water without having to rely on Cuban municipal sources. In addition to generating power, the turbines have significantly cut down on emissions of greenhouse gases created through burning diesel fuel. Black clouds containing carbon dioxide can routinely be seen pouring from the diesel generators supplying power to the base’s energy grid. Each turbine is anchored in a giant block of concrete, through which 22 soil anchors are drilled into the mountain to a depth of 30 to 40 feet deep. These are then sealed with grout. The automated turbines are rated to withstand winds of up to 140 miles per hour.

Dawn
24-01-2009, 04:40 PM
Wait I've got it. Franklin D Roosevelt leased it from the Cuban government that included Batista. And the US has never gotten round to giving it back. Actually it's an open ended agreement that can only be ended by mutual consent.

Dawn
24-01-2009, 04:41 PM
Mine is easier to read. :lol:

I'm more of a missile crisis expert for that part of the world. :shrug1:

Tink
24-01-2009, 04:42 PM
Lightweight. :wink: :lol:

Tink
24-01-2009, 04:43 PM
Pre FDR. He renewed the lease. :D

Dawn
24-01-2009, 04:46 PM
Teddy signed the Platt Amendment but that was annulled so a new treaty was negotiated.

I've missed these history discussions. :D

Johnie
24-01-2009, 06:11 PM
I love history :yes:


The military is holding these people as detainees because they can. The military has a whole other code of rules that have nothing to do with the Constitution.

Britchick
24-01-2009, 06:25 PM
The military is holding these people as detainees because they can. The military has a whole other code of rules that have nothing to do with the Constitution.

and sometimes they need them but this has gotten ridiculous.

Tinker
24-01-2009, 07:49 PM
so called terrorists but I guess the Republicans are throwing a tissey from what I have seen on the news . I just wanted your opinioin, I wasn't questioning Obamas judgment for our safety . But I do have to admit there are a couple of presumed to be masterminds in GB and some in the cabinet don't want them in there backyard . I didn't mean to stir up a controversy .

Tink
25-01-2009, 03:44 AM
You didn't Sister Tinker. Not to worry. :) We just like to have a good ol' history/politics discussion from time to time. :yes:

Tinker
25-01-2009, 02:22 PM
Thank You, Sister Tink . I just want to add .
In yesterdays paper ... Associated Press ... Washington DC .
EX TERROR SUSPECT NOW TERRORIST LEADER
A released GB terror detainee has re- emerged as an Al Quaida commander in Yemeni branch of Al Quaida . .
A US counterterror confirmed Friday that said, Ali Shihri that was jailed for six years at GB after his capture in Pakistan, has resurfaced as a leader of the Yemeni branch of Al Quaida .
Now what were we saying about fair trials and presumed innocent until otherwise .
Even the ones that were innocent upon capture, what they have endured and seen in eight years in captivity are sure to be out to get us . As soon as they are released, Lookout !!!
BTW, I LoVe Obama and I'm pulling for him .
Using the words of a long time business owner here in our town that has now passed on ... Send the planes in and drop an atomic bomb on all those b@str@ds . :laugh: This was right after 911 . RIP Tony !!!

Tink
25-01-2009, 02:31 PM
I'd not be too happy with anyone who kept me captive for six years either. :sigh:

The AP is often a sensationalist rag, Sister Tinker. :hug1:

Tinker
25-01-2009, 02:38 PM
Good to Know , Sister Tink ! I guess the ole' saying goes 'eh' you can't believe everything you read . :hug2:
At least Obama has it right , our fight is and should have always been looking to destroy Al Quaida and Bin Laden .
Not the senseless loss of life we have endured in Iraq .

Tink
25-01-2009, 02:50 PM
I have to agree with that Sister Tinker. :sigh:

I don't want to open a can of worms or start a huge debate with anyone, but I honestly believe that the time to prevent the events of 9/11/01 came BEFORE it happened. We needed more diplomacy between ourselves and the perpetrators of those events. We would have been better served in working to diffuse a tense situation prior to their gaining the power and the strength to deal those blows. Ugh. Enough on that from me.

But, invading Iraq when clearly the cells were in Afghanistan was completely senseless to me. I have a family member that has done two tours of Iraq (active duty) and thank heaven returned home alive each time. He said that although he clearly loves his country (career Military) he could see early in the first tour that we should not have been there.

He said the Iraqi people in general are sweet, generous and kind. They bore (early days) no ill will to the US, but that has since changed. :( When he returned for his second tour, they had become suspicious and aggressive toward all outsiders. Some of that was in response to the terrible abuses of their citizens at the hands of our "security" forces and Military personnel. :(

It's never clean and simple, is it? :sigh:

If we were going to "go after" those responsible for 9/11/01 then we should have focused on the areas where those cells were known to be, and not make up excuses for invading a country that clearly had nothing to do with those events.

Was Saddam Hussein a horrible person? Yes. But you know what? There are many horrible dictators abusing the people of their countries and we don't go after them.

Haiti is a perfect example of how we could go in and stop true terror and abuse of innocent people, yet we do nothing. Same with the Congo and Rwanda regions...

Ugh!!! Trying to stop now... :sorry: :sorry:

Tinker
25-01-2009, 02:53 PM
I Agree and we'll leave it at that . Nice to know we are on the same page . I certainly don't want to fire anything up either .

Tink
25-01-2009, 02:54 PM
:yes: :hug2: Like the sensible women we are... :D :D

Tinker
25-01-2009, 02:56 PM
:laugh: :hug2:

Dawn
25-01-2009, 03:36 PM
Even the ones that were innocent upon capture, what they have endured and seen in eight years in captivity are sure to be out to get us . As soon as they are released, Lookout !!!

Sorry to be contentious, but whose fault is that?

Dawn
25-01-2009, 03:37 PM
I Was Saddam Hussein a horrible person? Yes. But you know what? There are many horrible dictators abusing the people of their countries and we don't go after them.

*cough*OIL*cough*

Tinker
25-01-2009, 03:45 PM
thats what I'm saying Dawn, Obama has one hell of a mess to clean up :yes: and my thoughts are with him :hug2:
I was watching CNN, last night , a previously recorded meeting between Obama and his staff, he spoke of the economy, this one Repub senator was giving him very shifty looks and finally spoke out against him ...
I Loved it , he looked him straight in the face and said ... remember whom is president !!! :point: I was like, you know its about time, he needs to do what he needs to do and I believe Yes He/We Can !!! :hug2:

Dawn
25-01-2009, 03:54 PM
Did he really say "whom"??

That is soooo British. :rotfl:

Tinker
25-01-2009, 04:08 PM
Yes, he did ! I cracked up . :laugh: I said you go on with your bad self and keep right on going .

Tink
25-01-2009, 04:11 PM
That is one of the many things that I really love about President Obama, his sense of dignity.

When VP Biden made that crack about the Chief Justice messing up the Oath of Office, President Obama's body language said it all. He did not approve of that sort of comment.

I think Our Joe is going to be a source of much amusement (if not consternation) over the next four years, as a result of his comments alone! :lipwobble:

Britchick
25-01-2009, 04:40 PM
maybe Joe will replace George W with his gaffs!!! shame Hilary couldn't be VP but i think she is well placed with her new role.

Dawn
25-01-2009, 04:42 PM
Joe is going to be the John Prescott of the US government. :lol:

Britchick
25-01-2009, 05:02 PM
Joe is going to be the John Prescott of the US government. :lol:

ugh he was on with Andrew Marr this morning, slimy slug of a man ugh

Tinker
25-01-2009, 07:41 PM
I think Our Joe is going to be a source of much amusement (if not consternation) over the next four years, as a result of his comments alone! :lipwobble: :yes:

Tink
25-01-2009, 07:59 PM
I wouldn't say he's slimy or a slug :) but he does seem to say things that could be considered inappropriate for his office (and his wife seems to share that skill)! :eek:

Johnie
25-01-2009, 08:04 PM
*cough*OIL*cough*

and retribution for daddy as well :yes:

Tinker
25-01-2009, 10:07 PM
his wife is blonde :laugh: not sure where JB gets it from . I like him though, too .

Tink
26-01-2009, 12:54 AM
That's my first belief Johnie. Bush invaded Iraq more as a result of Saddam not being caught in the first Gulf War. He was after either retribution for his father, or trying to show up his father by doing what his administration couldn't and bring Saddam down. :shrug:

No matter. They are gone now. :shrug:

Johnie
26-01-2009, 12:56 AM
It still amazes me that in a world as small as the one we live in today, that they can't find Bin Laden. Of course, I don't think anyone is looking :unsure:

Britchick
26-01-2009, 06:29 PM
It still amazes me that in a world as small as the one we live in today, that they can't find Bin Laden. Of course, I don't think anyone is looking :unsure:

Jon's going there later in the year, i'll get him to look him up :thumbsup:

Johnie
26-01-2009, 06:32 PM
I can't imagine he's too hard to find. He is 6'5" tall! :tongue:

Britchick
26-01-2009, 06:38 PM
I can't imagine he's too hard to find. He is 6'5" tall! :tongue:

do you have a message for him if he does find him?!! :lol:

Johnie
26-01-2009, 06:45 PM
lol ummm no. Contact the authorities if you see him.

Tinker
26-01-2009, 09:08 PM
Thank your dear husband for protecting us britchick . And :hug2: for you .