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Britchick
16-05-2009, 06:56 PM
i'm not going to be able to get the lens i want before my holiday so i am now in a quandry.

the choice i have is upgrade my 50mm to the 1.4 version - the reviews i have read don't seem to be that much better for the 1.4 than the 1.8 which i already own

or the Canon EF 85mm f/1.8 USM

i have the 400D, which obviously affects the focal length of both and i will be using it to do portraits mainly but also on holiday architecture type shots. I actually like the prime lenses as they make you move and get more interesting angles.

or get nothing and save my money towards the other one? hope that's not too confusing!

thanks

keith
16-05-2009, 07:02 PM
:yes: know exactly what you mean.

For portraits, it would be the 85mm 1.8. The 1.2L is of course the "to die for" lens but the 1.8 is great and actually faster to focus anyway. The 1.2L is quirky to be honest.

You won't get much by going to the canon 50mm 1.4 :( it's not a great lens. The best 50mm in Canon's line up is the 1.2L but again, expensive. On a cropped body like the 400D, the 35mm 1.4L is actually a really good fit but again again again, expensive sigh. (bit of a pattern emerging here).

So yep, 85mm 1.8 for portraits. It'll be a *tad* long on your 400d meaning you'll sometimes have to back up a little more than you want to, but it's slight telephoto effect will compress the facial features and make for more pleasing portraits than your 50. It'll be easier to throw the background more out of focus too.

It's not going to help you with your holiday architecture photos though :( too long really.

ukwdwnut
16-05-2009, 07:04 PM
save it and get the one you really want julie, im saving for hhe 18-75IS

keith do you think its worth the price against the kits lens will i see THT much difference do ya think?

keith
16-05-2009, 07:05 PM
or get nothing and save my money towards the other one?

missed that bit.

Well it's an option but I wouldn't get too bent out of shape waiting for the 24-70. It's a competent money making lens for sure, but I find myself reaching for the primes more and more these days. 24-70 is a great range to be sure but it's arguably become SO standard, that to make your photos look different and special, you need to think outside the box and use wider/longer primes.

So you really could for example get a 10-22 which is a nice little lens, use your 50mm for "normal" shots, and then a 70-200L which is my most favourite every canon lens.

With literally the world and his dog taking photos now, it's really starting to pay to be different

keith
16-05-2009, 07:07 PM
save it and get the one you really want julie, im saving for hhe 18-75IS

keith do you think its worth the price against the kits lens will i see THT much difference do ya think?

yep, I'm not a big fan of the kit lens. It's not as bad as I tell people hehe but it's not good either. The 17-85IS is a one of those canon bargain lenses IMHO. Really good.

Britchick
16-05-2009, 07:14 PM
i saw some really nice pictures taken on the 70-200 at the weekend - it's flashy too because of the colour :tongue:

i think i will go for the 85mm and then think again - of course when i upgrade the camera the 85 will be the perfect length :yes:

ukwdwnut
16-05-2009, 07:16 PM
yep, I'm not a big fan of the kit lens. It's not as bad as I tell people hehe but it's not good either. The 17-85IS is a one of those canon bargain lenses IMHO. Really good.

ok cool, just saw one for 320. thx mate, need to replace me 50mm too, so julie if your getting rid gimme a price :D

do they do an L glass in the 17-85 too

Britchick
16-05-2009, 07:19 PM
Nut, sorry decided to keep mine as i'm not upgrading it- they are going for more than i paid at the moment on fleabay !! don't know why

it is a fantastic lens for the price though. I tend to use mine all the time now and my 17-85 hasn't been out of the bag for ages- in fact thinking of selling it

keith
16-05-2009, 07:20 PM
i think i will go for the 85mm and then think again - of course when i upgrade the camera the 85 will be the perfect length :yes:

5d mkII caught your eye by any chance? ;)

(It's really really good)

Britchick
16-05-2009, 07:23 PM
5d mkII caught your eye by any chance? ;)

(It's really really good)

i know - well i need to invest in my business don't you think? wouldn't want to have to pay any more tax :lol:

keith
16-05-2009, 07:27 PM
i know - well i need to invest in my business don't you think? wouldn't want to have to pay any more tax :lol:

totally :yes:

Britchick
16-05-2009, 07:40 PM
what's your opinion on filters Keith?

keith
16-05-2009, 07:48 PM
what's your opinion on filters Keith?

yeah that old chestnut. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

If you mean standard UV/IR filters rather than effects ones

Most of the pros I know don't use them. The theory being "however good the filter is, why stick a cheap piece of glass over a several hundred pound lens". Now, they all have their kit insured and if they accidently damage a lens, it'll get replaced. fine.

I think if you're earning money giving people the best images you possibly can, there's an argument against using anything that reduces quality.

HOWEVER for the rest of us, (although I know you're setting up a business) I think a good filter will protect the face of the lens and provided it's a really good quality one, any reduction in quality won't be visible to us anyway.

I've done all the tests and the pixel peeping myself and I can certainly confirm that if you pay 10 or something for a filter, you should expect that it will have a noticeable effect on the image at 100% viewing. If you buy one of the good makes like Hoya and B+W and pay an amount that makes you gulp, you won't notice any problems at all and your lens will be protected.

There are of course still some filters for effects that really do help such as polarising filters. You may be able to correct lots in photoshop these days but you can't beat getting it right in camera in the first place

So to summarise :lol: yes use them but don't skimp! Better to use none at all that a cheap one

Britchick
16-05-2009, 08:02 PM
thank you, have you ever thought of writing a book?

keith
16-05-2009, 08:05 PM
thank you, have you ever thought of writing a book?

mmmm there's an idea ;)

ukwdwnut
16-05-2009, 09:33 PM
Nut, sorry decided to keep mine as i'm not upgrading it- they are going for more than i paid at the moment on fleabay !! don't know why

it is a fantastic lens for the price though. I tend to use mine all the time now and my 17-85 hasn't been out of the bag for ages- in fact thinking of selling it

that ok brit no worries--------tell me a price and i might be interested :D

Britchick
16-05-2009, 09:47 PM
if you go on the canon refurbished shop on ebay they have a 50mm on there now- they're all guaranteed for a year

ukwdwnut
16-05-2009, 09:48 PM
if you go on the canon refurbished shop on ebay they have a 50mm on there now- they're all guaranteed for a year

well why didnt you post the link :lol:

whose changed all the flippin codes for the smilies grrrrrrrr

Britchick
16-05-2009, 09:50 PM
are you not able to type into a search engine anymore lol :tongue:


eBay UK Shop - Canon Outlet EOS SLR Cameras Compact Cameras Digital Cameras: (http://stores.ebay.co.uk/Canon-Outlet)

there's an 85mm there too:unsure:

ukwdwnut
16-05-2009, 09:57 PM
that links not taking me to the lens you spas, if you want something, do it your self jeeeez :lol:

Britchick
16-05-2009, 09:58 PM
that links not taking me to the lens you spas, if you want something, do it your self jeeeez :lol:

do you want me to pay for it too?


Canon Outlet: EF 50 mm f/1.8II (Refurbished) on eBay, also Canon, 35mm SLR, Film Cameras, Photography (end time 18-May-09 15:48:08 BST) (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Canon-Outlet-EF-50-mm-f-1-8II-Refurbished_W0QQitemZ270391279378QQihZ017QQcategor yZ30033QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262)


:lol:

ukwdwnut
16-05-2009, 10:08 PM
am watching it now :D thx brit

ukwdwnut
16-05-2009, 10:09 PM
do you want me to pay for it too?


Canon Outlet: EF 50 mm f/1.8II (Refurbished) on eBay, also Canon, 35mm SLR, Film Cameras, Photography (end time 18-May-09 15:48:08 BST) (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Canon-Outlet-EF-50-mm-f-1-8II-Refurbished_W0QQitemZ270391279378QQihZ017QQcategor yZ30033QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262)


:lol:

well seeing as you offered :lol:

keith
16-05-2009, 10:09 PM
am watching it now :D thx brit

just remember, it's only about 80quid on amazon so :)

ukwdwnut
16-05-2009, 10:12 PM
just remember, it's only about 80quid on amazon so :)

yeah just looking keith, 83 smackeroonies :D

Britchick
16-05-2009, 10:13 PM
Canon EF 50mm f1.8 II from 83.50, UK Specialist Price Comparison Site, Camera Price Buster (http://www.camerapricebuster.co.uk/prod83.html)

ukwdwnut
16-05-2009, 10:15 PM
whats the difference between this

Canon EF-S - Zoom lens - 17 mm - 85 mm - f: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-EF-S-Zoom-lens-4-0-5-6/dp/B0002Y5WXO/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1242511965&sr=1-1)

and this

Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4.0-5.6 IS USM Lens: Amazon.co.uk: Electronics & Photo (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Canon-EF-S-17-85mm-4-0-5-6-Lens/dp/B0002XNRG4/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1242511965&sr=1-2)

both exact descrption but totally different lenses :unsure:

edit

diff in the link tho

Britchick
16-05-2009, 10:18 PM
its the same one but they are from different suppliers

keith
16-05-2009, 10:18 PM
fairly sure theyre the same lens :/

Britchick
16-05-2009, 10:19 PM
one is sold by amazon,the other by british bargains through amazon

ukwdwnut
16-05-2009, 10:19 PM
fairly sure theyre the same lens :/

ones bigger than the other or is it just the photos :unsure:

Britchick
16-05-2009, 10:20 PM
perspectives are out that;s all

keith
16-05-2009, 10:21 PM
ones bigger than the other :unsure:

Just compressed in one shot

ukwdwnut
16-05-2009, 10:22 PM
yeah was flicking back and forth its the photos DUH!!!! :lol:

ukwdwnut
16-05-2009, 10:23 PM
much better price here tho :D

Canon Lens - Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM (http://www.simplyelectronics.net/mainproduct.php?pid=527&gclid=COey7oHwwZoCFcISzAod9USCrw)

keith
16-05-2009, 10:25 PM
much better price here tho :D

Canon Lens - Canon EF-S 17-85mm f/4-5.6 IS USM (http://www.simplyelectronics.net/mainproduct.php?pid=527&gclid=COey7oHwwZoCFcISzAod9USCrw)

Just be careful that wherever you get it from is selling proper UK stock not grey imports. Canon can refuse to honour warranty on grey imports

Britchick
16-05-2009, 10:26 PM
was just about to say that lol

ukwdwnut
16-05-2009, 10:41 PM
Just be careful that wherever you get it from is selling proper UK stock not grey imports. Canon can refuse to honour warranty on grey imports

ok thx will always ask