Inexpensive but nice.....

[BUTTERHEAD1]

You are talking about John's Pizza.... by far it is our favorite place to eat. The one you are referring to is on 44th street between 8th avenue and Broadway. The original one is on Bleecker Street in the Village.... I prefer to eat at the Bleecker st. location.

As for the dirty water dogs I have seen where a lot of these vendors store their food and it isnt pretty.

There is a 2nd Carmines up on 91st street and Broadway that isnt the tourist trap that the Times square location is. The prices are the same with half the wait.

[Beccaberry]

You are talking about John's Pizza.... by far it is our favorite place to eat. The one you are referring to is on 44th street between 8th avenue and Broadway. The original one is on Bleecker Street in the Village.... I prefer to eat at the Bleecker st. location.

As for the dirty water dogs I have seen where a lot of these vendors store their food and it isnt pretty.

There is a 2nd Carmines up on 91st street and Broadway that isnt the tourist trap that the Times square location is. The prices are the same with half the wait.

Yes, that's it! John's Pizza (I briefly thought that was the name but then decided it couldn't be that simple or certainly I'd remember it!). We shall try the Bleecker Street locale next time we're in the city

We often hit the "other" Carmine's when it's just Jon and I, or if we don't have standing reservations. You're absolutely right about the smaller crowds...and then there's the most important part...the martinis are just as big