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    or is it another way to discredit him . your thoughts ... can we post peacefully and with respect
    or is it just another way to discredit Obama ... I'm not sure, heck I'm scared and would like your thoughts ... just honest views

    Palin is now claiming that Obama has ties to terrorism . My childhood girl friend , a Christian, gave it to me last night or should I say made me stop and think , bringing back some fears/vibes I had .
    I, too, was totally against Obama from the beginning and just when I started to think I might give him my vote . 1, from the beginning I said, where did he come out of the woodwork from ? 2 . it's a fact that he's a Muslim and his middle name Hussein 3 . his devoted reverend , all those years before ... we hear him say GD America, Obama defends him and then he make horrble racist remarks at a conference ... Obama this time denounces him from the family and friends that embraced him for all those years and Obama says he never preached/acted that way before . Clinton loses to Obama and I watch . She told me about his supposed ties to terrorism at the football game . I looked it up as soon as I got home . And their is information whether it be fact or not, or just another way to discredit him , but I'm going with what I originally was going to do and not vote . I'm not willing to take that chance .
    Now, I'd like to hear your comments ... please

    just like to add this is now all over the news CNN, MSNBC , Fox ... etc

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    I think it's pure scare tactics in order to try and discredit obama and move the conversation away from the economic situation.

    It's pretty well understood that if you're a republican candidate and the current administration is republican, then you're going to share the pain if the economy is bad.

    The article palin quoted went on to say "the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers, whom he has called 'somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago, when I was 8.' "

    I'm not biased either way quite honestly but I hope that someone tells her to either prove the allegations or shut up.
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    Tinker, hon. Most of it is bunk. Check out this website...snopes...They are very well-know and respected when dealing with urban legends and myths...and especially all those viral emails that go around. Hope this gives you some peace. Not saying you need to vote for the man, but you shouldn't let unsubstanciated fears make up your mind for you.





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    don't think we'll need to remind anyone, everyone has been fine so far, but please keep this thread civil and polite, I know that people here are very passionate about certain topics, which is why we wouldn't like any fall outs.
    I've seen it happen too many times elsewhere which makes me a bit over-cautious!
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    I agree with you, josh p ! And I have been watching the debates, following the news , so forth and so on . This friend made me feel like I was a stupid person and that anyone that votes for Obama is risking the safety of their families and the future of the USA . I basically told her , as a christian she should realize that Revelations has already begun and since it is written, it too will be done . Argh , she had me ticked !!! I have followed this campaign from the very beginning .
    But you have to admit, this is a Scary Thought .
    I know that he is a muslim through his father that hasn't been in his life since the age of two .
    I know that he was raised by his grandparents in Chicago . That his mother
    ( Hawaiian) was ill with cancer and died when he was a child . That he has been involved with this Ayers character, that was involved with a radical group that Ayers has outright admitted . That he has never shown remorse for the involvment or the bombings .
    Ayers has contributed , even if just a small amount to Obamas campaign . Obama should have sent it back . Ayers is a very shady person . And if the shoe were on the other foot, McCain would be faulted .
    Therefore, I am not casting a vote for either candidate . If anything happens to this country , I can honestly say , I didn't vote for him , but then again , I might change my mind again . I want to see this next debate . I hope its brought out .
    Figment ~ I know about this snopes, believe me sweetie, LOL ... but this was on MSNBC .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keith, post: 55978
    I think it's pure scare tactics in order to try and discredit obama and move the conversation away from the economic situation.
    I think its just scare tactics too, but I'd expect to see more and more of this in the coming weeks, and think that it might end up costing McCain the election. He was doing so well to start with because he was a 'different' type of republican, and vowed to keep his campaign honourable...

    If all he does in the last few weeks is try to go negative, I think it'll backfire.

    Everything negative on Obama is 'guilt by association' - if and when the Obama camp goes negative, as expected today with the Keatings scandal, it won't be guilt by association for McCain - it'll just be straight up guilt. Guilt that he can tie back into the mainstream media issue of the current day economy, where McCain's negative attacks will just be for the sake of it - or even worse, to deliberately try to change the subject. That gives Obama a huge chance to play the "look, I'm different!" card again, which always seems to bo Obama's strong point.

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    I am a little confused as to how Obama can be called Muslim and then also critisized for his connection with his black Christian reverand.

    Also;

    The Facts: In making the charge at a fund-raising event in Englewood, Colorado, and a rally in Carson, California, Palin was referring at least in part to William Ayers, a 1960s radical. In both appearances, Palin cited a front-page article in Saturday’s New York Times detailing the working relationship between Obama and Ayers.

    In the 1960s, Ayers was a founding member of the radical Weather Underground group that carried out a string of bombings of federal buildings, including the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol, in protest against the Vietnam War. The now-defunct group was labeled a “domestic terrorist group” by the FBI, and Ayers and his wife, Bernadine Dohrn — also a Weather Underground member — spent 10 years as fugitives in the 1970s. Federal charges against them were dropped due to FBI misconduct in gathering evidence against them, and they resurfaced in 1980. Both Ayers and Dohrn ultimately became university professors in Chicago, with Ayers, 63, now an education professor at the University of Illinois at Chicago.

    Obama’s Chicago home is in the same neighborhood where Ayers and Dohrn live. Beginning in 1995, Ayers and Obama worked with the non-profit Chicago Annenberg Challenge on a huge school improvement project. The Annenberg Challenge was for cities to compete for $50 million grants to improve public education. Ayers fought to bring the grant to Chicago, and Obama was recruited onto the board. Also from 1999 through 2001 both were board members on the Woods Fund, a charitable foundation that gave money to various causes, including the Trinity United Church that Obama attended and Northwestern University Law Schools’ Children and Family Justice Center, where Dohrn worked.

    CNN’s review of project records found nothing to suggest anything inappropriate in the volunteer projects in which the two men were involved.

    Obama campaign spokesman Ben LaBolt told CNN that after meeting Obama through the Annenberg project, Ayers hosted a campaign event for him that same year when then-Illinois state Sen. Alice Palmer, who planned to run for Congress, introduced the young community organizer as her chosen successor. LaBolt also said the two have not spoken by phone or exchanged e-mail messages since Obama came to the U.S. Senate in 2005 and last met more than a year ago when they encountered each other on the street in their Hyde Park neighborhood.

    The extent of Obama’s relationship with Ayers came up during the Democratic presidential primaries earlier this year, and Obama explained it by saying, “This is a guy who lives in my neighborhood … the notion that somehow as a consequence of me knowing somebody who engaged in detestable acts 40 years ago — when I was 8 years old — somehow reflects on me and my values doesn’t make much sense.”

    The New York Times article cited by Palin concluded that “the two men do not appear to have been close. Nor has Mr. Obama ever expressed sympathy for the radical views and actions of Mr. Ayers.” Other publications, including the Washington Post, Time magazine, the Chicago Sun-Times, The New Yorker and The New Republic, have said that their reporting doesn’t support the idea that Obama and Ayers had a close relationship.

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    *sigh*

    I wish politics focused on policy rather than discrediting the opposition I really do.

    I was listening to a commentary on BBC Radio 5 th eother morning after the vice presidential debate - the American political correspondant felt it had been a draw - He said Palin and won on style and the democrat on substance

    IMHO ( and I fully acknowledge it probably is just me) style should have nothing to do with politics at all.

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    *huge sigh*

    Accusations like this destroy the credibility of the American electoral process. What's so wrong with being a muslim anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dawn, post: 56291
    *huge sigh*

    Accusations like this destroy the credibility of the American electoral process. What's so wrong with being a muslim anyway?
    I have to say that puzzles me too. if he was a Muslim, why would it be an issue? My dd's best friend is a very devout Muslim, a lovely girl and extremely moderate in her beliefs. Boy, has she and her family suffered with abuse and much more over the last few years.
    I really hate it when campaigns turn nasty like this.

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