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Discussion in 'Restaurants, Dining, Dining Plans' started by keith, May 24, 2012.

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    Ok so this restaurant says 12% survive charge added in lieu of salary. Gratuity for exceptional service optional

    So now if I want to tip 20% is that In addition to the 12% or is it another 8% needed to add to the 12?
     
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    Add the 8 to the 12 for a total of 20.
     
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    Thanks :) thats what we did but the server actually came back and said I didn't explain did I about the 12% service but gratuity extra. I said nope but hopefully you found the gratuity in cash with the check? He didn't say anything and wandered off

    Made me wonder if I was doing it wrongly and short changing him
     
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    Nope!
     
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    Maybe he was trying it on as tourists might think you needed to leave another 20%. Weird way of doing it, I've never seen that


    I hate it when the waiters think you don't know what you're doing and over explain trying to get as much as possible. Guarantees a lower tip from me! Lol
     
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    That is a bit of a trick, as far as I'm concerned. You don't often see it in food and beverage, but it happens. You'll find it in spa services too. I'll add a bit, but point out that since the "service fee" (or whatever it is that particular establishment calls their hidden charge) is already calculated, I rounded it "up."

    I really don't like hidden charges. :(
     
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    I just wanna say I hate tipping....Not because I'm cheap, but due to how it's all conducted, and how everyone things they deserve a tip (maybe I should put a tip jar outside my therapy room?!)


    Ok, off my soap box. :exit:
     
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    Worked for Lucy!!! :tongue:
     

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    Reader's Digest just ran an interesting article about tipping back a couple of months ago. A couple of things stood out to me.

    1. Don't refuse to tip for bad service but rather talk to the manager.

    2. Waiters don't keep all of their tips, they share with the bartender, bus boys etc.

    3. Bartenders should always be tipped, anywhere from $1.00 to $2.00 per drink or 15 -20% of the check.

    And Keith I have to take a different stance on the 12% service charge and tip. If the waiters are not receiving a salary then that 12% is their salary. Tips should theoretically be over and above that, so 8% is really not a great tip. Since the IRS figures a wait person's income based on a percentage of sales the 8% may actually be costing them money. I know it sucks but unfortunately that is the way of life here in the US.

    Just one man's point of view.
     
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    yeah Im 50/50 on this one. On the one hand, whilst it's happening, speaking to the manager is the way to go to try and get it fixed no doubt. On the other hand, having to do that can easily ruin an evening whereas a small, or no, tip should send a clear message to the under performing server. Up to the client IMHO

    yep true enough

    makes me laugh this one but it's the way it is and that's that.

    absolutely! that's the question really. Are they REALLY not receiving a salary :/ or are they saying they receive a base but then the 12% is a base "tip" to ensure they always come out with something and then anything exceptional is over and above that.

    Really hard to tell IMHO and it's pretty awkward to have to ask! I guess I'll email them for some clarity for next time

    yep :) it's interesting to see though.
     
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    BTW Keith, is that Bern's that is doing that?
     
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    yeah!

    Bern's was great as you'd expect. Truly wonderful food and a lovely experience.

    The guy who served us provided polite but basic service. Nothing to complain about but far from the effusive service offered by others there. It was very much "what would you like" "here it is".

    Nonetheless, we got what we needed and that's fine so I wanted to ensure I was tipping him 20% since, although that was probably high for the service actually received ;-) it was what I felt comfortable with.

    So I saw the 12% service charge thing. I couldn't really see what others were doing. Looked online on my phone and the consensus seemed to be that it was a way of ensuring that the servers got a baseline "tip" for doing their job and anything over that was optional according to service.

    So I actually just looked at what the 12% had been and put that much again in cash with the check. In my mind that was giving him closer to 24% than anything else.

    ..but then I started to wonder if that was REALLY the case, or was 12% his wage and then 12% his tip which as you say would be low.

    Problem being, how would I know without asking which frankly would have felt awkward at best.

    I've emailed them anyway so I know for next time :)
     
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    12% is what the IRS presumes and taxes on. You are not wrong. You've been forced into the taxable tip, anything over that is good.
     
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    we have the official reply ... and may I say... PHEW!!!

    "Mr.Pritchard,
    Thank you for inquiring about the tipping practices here at Bern's Steak
    House. As an avid traveler abroad I too have been confused by the various
    "tipping norms". Here at Bern's the 12% service charge serves as a tipping
    base. Most guests will leave an additional 3% to 8% gratuity for fine
    service. I hope this will assist you and we look forward to having you join
    us again in the near future.
    Sincerely,
    Joseph Donoian
    Dining Room Manager
    Bern's Steak House"
     
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    I'm glad they got back to you Keith :) you did the right thing and now you know what to do next time :D
     
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    And from the rest of us Keith, who might visit Bern's, many thanks.
     
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    no problem, definitely good to know for the future!
     
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    Lol Billie!! I feel the same way. Seriously, what you and I do CHANGES lives.
     
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    If someone is a bad server, I don't know that not leaving a tip at all or a small one would even make the point known. They would more than likely blame the patron. Talking to the manager would be best.

    That being said, I think a lot if servers get blamed for things that are not their fault. If the food is not as good as you expected, that would be the kitchens fault and should be addressed with management.

    Also if it appears the the server is clearly overworked and appears to be trying, I would bring that to managements attention.

    You drop my food off and ignore me or you let my glass get empty, that is a server problem.
     
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    yeah, I hear you about the server getting blamed for things that aren't their fault. Still, I'd hope they'd understand that and would work to kick other parts of the "team" that arent performing so as not to affect their tip.

    In terms of talking to the manager, again yeah I dont think there can be an argument that it's the most sensible option, but yah know, sometimes I'm just not up for the fight? Especially when I've given somewhere a second chance and it's been as bad or worse than the first. I'll just think ok, last time for me, I'm done.

    ..but overall yeah, I do accept that it's best to give the place a chance to fix the problem whilst it's happening.
     

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